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Upper Cretaceous echinoids ID


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Hello,

I found those echinoids in Upper Campanian strata (SE Pyrenees)

The first one I guessed to be an Orthopsis miliaris...

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But there is a problem. Orthopsis' apical disc is dicyclic, and in my specimen it is hemicyclic. I have numbered the plates as in The Echinoid Directory and the ocular plate "V" lies in contact with the periproct:

 

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Other options ?

 

The second one is this small one. I guess Thylechinus, but according to TED this is a problematic genus. Apical disc seems dicyclic (madrepores are clearly visible in G2 plate)

 

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5 hours ago, caterpillar said:

Thylechinus is not campanian but eocene

 

Thylechinus is a troublesome Genus. Recently (within the last 6 or 7 years) Gagaria was moved to Thylechinus. This added 3 species from the eastern United states to the genus that I am aware of T. salis which is Eocene, T. chickasawhay which is Oligocene and T. mossomi which is also Oligocene. There are also 2 different Thylechinus sp. ; one from the late Cretaceous of North Africa and the United Arab Emirates and one from the Paleocene of Nigeria. The eastern U. S. species I was aware of and have two of the three in my collection. The ones from the UAR. North Africa and Nigeria I discovered doing some online research. You can find them on the WoRMS website and on the Natural History Museum of London's Echinoid database.

The second one does appear as a possible candidate for Thylechinus, but it would need to looked at in hand by and Echinoid expert in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, FossilDAWG said:

I edited the title of this thread.  Equinoids would have been most surprising in the Cretaceous!

 

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