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Here's another one found yesterday in Vermillion County, Illinois  about a mile away from the Salt Fork River,  Middle Fork Vermilion River, and Vermilion River on my property. I'm hearing a lot of feedback about river tumbling causing the shapes of my objects.  The only problem,  or the situation is that there are basically no other stones in the general vicinity. Only head shapes and some vertebrae looking objects. I had my wife come out to my spot yesterday and she noticed also that no other stones were present but these, and many 5 gallon buckets worth. Today I am going to just pick up what is left after rains came last Friday. I will probably come home with 3 more 5 gallon buckets. So why couldn't these have been anice entire colony of snakes? What about the eggs I've found? There's no doubt in my mind this is what I have found..but I'm willing to listen. I've tried cropping these 2 pics. Hope you can work with these a little better. Any help is appreciated..thank you

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Fossildude19

Cropped an brightened. 

 

 

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While the photos are still blurry, I am 100% positive this is not a fossil of any kind.  :( 

 

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SailingAlongToo

The fact remains, no matter how much Gary wants, desires & wishes his rocks to be fossils, in the end they are still just rocks.

 

Definitely geologic in origin rather than biologic.

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GaryMc

Thank you Kane. Throughout the last month since examining the excavated site I have so kept in mind that what I'm finding is not what I think. I'm not educated in this area whatsoever, nor educated in the geology of my area. I only have a few things steering me into this direction and one is that no other stones, little or small, are being found, I'm finding petrified wood throughout my site, and the pieces I'm finding all have what appears to be a marking where possibly a connection of some type was at one time. I will send a close-up of the last stone. Also, what about the appearance of "eyes"?  And mouthlines? On literally hundreds of these stones I have all these features are present. I have been finding these stones touching one another also. My wife came out with me and she dug up the very same- stones that go from small to big, with a "head" and a "tail". Not long ago, like last year, a discovery was made practically under my feet, of a fully preserved petrified rain forest. The largest of its kind in the world. Supposedly four square miles of one. Petrified wood, so far, is the only thing thus far removed. And I'm getting petrified wood at my site. So to try and answer you with all I know, yes I've looked at petrified snake heads and yes mine are similiar. Can you please tell me why you think that a snake wouldn't petrified like what I have? Because I beg to differ, snakes do petrified from what I've seen, no offense please! I'm not finding any other rocks, pebbles, riverbed looking material. My site is one mile away almost. Would getting a height of my site be of help? Would a few decent pics of my site help you in helping me? I'm going to call the University of Illinois today and get a geologist out here. I'm really really trying to eliminate and be real here. But the stones I'm finding are looking like just that, petrified heads. Bear with me and thanks for being kind. Science always rules I know that. I'm a traveling nurse with three college degrees so I'm educated. And I typically would never put my foot in my mouth and embarras myself without confidence. I just need someone here. Here are close- ups of the last one. Sorry I don't know of how to post other that under the 3.95mb. And thanks. Gary

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Auspex

Take a day trip to the Field Museum in Chicago and tour the fossil displays. Bring a few of your finds, and ask if someone is available to take a look at them.

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GaryMc

And these? Not teeth? Bear with me guys ok..I really appreciate your answers with suggestive reasoning behind them. I'm learning. That's all that really matters I guess.and no harm done, he'll I went there for really cool landscapers to begin with. And yes Fossildude, I really need someone to come out here. Any ideas on someone? I'm going to call ISGS and start there. These stones all have this similarity. The petrified heads I'm seeing online appear the same. I'm taking in all you guys tell me and still trying to keep it real and keep the doubt until I'm scientifically proven wrong I can't believe that these are not something that once lived..

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Kane

Not seeing any pictures... Neither of the "teeth" or what images you were comparing against. Try again?

 

I don't think geologists and palaeontologists make house calls; you should take a few representative specimens to them. Perhaps start by contacting one over email with some of your photos, and take it from there. If your site is scientifically significant, then there may be an opportunity to have them on site to investigate further. 

 

And, yes, we're all about the learning here. :) 

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2 hours ago, GaryMc said:

Thank you Kane. Throughout the last month since examining the excavated site I have so kept in mind that what I'm finding is not what I think. I'm not educated in this area whatsoever, nor educated in the geology of my area. I only have a few things steering me into this direction and one is that no other stones, little or small, are being found, I'm finding petrified wood throughout my site, and the pieces I'm finding all have what appears to be a marking where possibly a connection of some type was at one time. I will send a close-up of the last stone. Also, what about the appearance of "eyes"?  And mouthlines? On literally hundreds of these stones I have all these features are present. I have been finding these stones touching one another also. My wife came out with me and she dug up the very same- stones that go from small to big, with a "head" and a "tail". Not long ago, like last year, a discovery was made practically under my feet, of a fully preserved petrified rain forest. The largest of its kind in the world. Supposedly four square miles of one. Petrified wood, so far, is the only thing thus far removed. And I'm getting petrified wood at my site. So to try and answer you with all I know, yes I've looked at petrified snake heads and yes mine are similiar. Can you please tell me why you think that a snake wouldn't petrified like what I have? Because I beg to differ, snakes do petrified from what I've seen, no offense please! I'm not finding any other rocks, pebbles, riverbed looking material. My site is one mile away almost. Would getting a height of my site be of help? Would a few decent pics of my site help you in helping me? I'm going to call the University of Illinois today and get a geologist out here. I'm really really trying to eliminate and be real here. But the stones I'm finding are looking like just that, petrified heads. Bear with me and thanks for being kind. Science always rules I know that. I'm a traveling nurse with three college degrees so I'm educated. And I typically would never put my foot in my mouth and embarras myself without confidence. I just need someone here. Here are close- ups of the last one. Sorry I don't know of how to post other that under the 3.95mb. And thanks. Gary

 

You obviously didn't read and look my previous post, so i post it again :

3 hours ago, fifbrindacier said:

Here are (pics taken from the net) :

a fossilised egg of snake (notice the multiple traces of shells on the matrix, absents on your specimen) :

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a fossilised snake :

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snakes vertebrae (ancient and recent ones) :

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Innocentx
1 hour ago, GaryMc said:

I'm going to call ISGS and start there.

That is your best bet. 

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Aurelius

As fifbrindacier has shown, fossil bones clearly look like bones. They have very clear details and features which go way beyond 'this rock has a circle that looks like an eye'. They have a texture (bones are not totally solid), they have easily defined features, and they basically tend not to look like rocks with random circles on them. By the standards you're using here, every single rock in the world must be a snake head.

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Auspex

Call a landscaper. They'll know what they are.

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Aurelius
48 minutes ago, steelhead9 said:

No other stones in the area, when you have retrieved multiple 5 gallon buckets, is a lot of other stones. Snake fossils are exceedingly rare.

 

Yes, it's kind of like picking up pieces of gravel out of a driveway and insisting that they're diamonds, and when someone questions it, saying that they must be diamonds because you haven't found any gravel in the area at all.

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Ludwigia

You just don't give up, do you. I must say, I am impressed at your perseverance in the presence of diverging opinions. Have fun with the geologists. I'm sure they will.

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4 hours ago, GaryMc said:

And these? Not teeth? Bear with me guys ok..I really appreciate your answers with suggestive reasoning behind them. I'm learning. That's all that really matters I guess.and no harm done, he'll I went there for really cool landscapers to begin with. And yes Fossildude, I really need someone to come out here. Any ideas on someone? I'm going to call ISGS and start there. These stones all have this similarity. The petrified heads I'm seeing online appear the same. I'm taking in all you guys tell me and still trying to keep it real and keep the doubt until I'm scientifically proven wrong I can't believe that these are not something that once lived..

You've already been scientifically proven wrong here by many individuals with many examples many times over. You're disputing the opinions of a collective with hundreds of years of combined experience and many advanced degrees in earth sciences.

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