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Chris Breeze

We were exploring Abbey Caves in Whareora, Northland New Zealand and my daughter spotted a strange shape in the cave stream and looking closer it looked like a fossil. I look a picture with my phone. Can anyone give us a name for this? Cheers

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Chris Breeze

Ok thanks Ludwigia for the quick reply.

So it’s just sea shell right? What sort of date are we looking at?

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RJB
45 minutes ago, Ludwigia said:

Looks like it might be part of a cone trapped in sinter. I think I see other plant material round about it

I think Ludwigia is on to something here.   and yeah, I agree.   Needs some prep though to uncover the rest?

 

RB

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ynot
28 minutes ago, Chris Breeze said:

So it’s just sea shell right?

Not a seashell, a conifer seed cone.

And I agree with a seed cone.

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Innocentx

Nice cone and good spotting by your daughter. This should look great after a little prep work.

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abyssunder

Definitely it's a cone. Maybe something known as "kauri" (Agathis) or other araucarian?

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FossilDAWG

I agree with the ID as a plant cone.  I don't know if it is legal to remove objects from caves in New Zealand; it is not in the USA.  Also the OP posted a photo taken in situ, and did not say anything about having collected the specimen.  I don't think we will see photos "after preparation" as this would require removal from the cave, which may well be illegal.

 

Don

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Innocentx
2 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

I don't think we will see photos "after preparation"

Too bad. The replacement material looks awesome.

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ynot
48 minutes ago, Innocentx said:

Too bad. The replacement material looks awesome.

Do to the location (and the leaf just above it) I think it is relatively recent and carbonised.

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Innocentx
2 hours ago, ynot said:

Do to the location (and the leaf just above it) I think it is relatively recent and carbonised.

I think you are right. 

 

I really like your photo @Chris Breeze.  Probably a bit tough in a cave.

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Chris Breeze
On 1/14/2019 at 10:06 AM, Innocentx said:

Nice cone and good spotting by your daughter. This should look great after a little prep work.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 10:05 AM, ynot said:

Not a seashell, a conifer seed cone.

And I agree with a seed cone.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 5:21 PM, Innocentx said:

I think you are right. 

 

I really like your photo @Chris Breeze.  Probably a bit tough in a cave.

Thanks everyone for your expertise. It was a nice find. Yes native Kauri trees were prevalent in the area and can exist past 1000 years old, plus the cones produced seem the right size (7cm) for the fossil. Unfortunately, like the poster above mentioned, it would seem improper to remove it from the cave so best left where it is. Cheers

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abyssunder
On 1/13/2019 at 11:22 PM, Chris Breeze said:

 Can anyone give us a name for this?

 

19 hours ago, Chris Breeze said:

Yes native Kauri trees were prevalent in the area and can exist past 1000 years old, plus the cones produced seem the right size (7cm) for the fossil.

 

Thank you for the confirmation! :)

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