Kittenmittens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Hello this is being listed as a Adcrocuta Canine Hyaenidae skull real fossil from HeilongjiangProvince China in Glacial period. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 In my opinion it is not real! I find it rather bizarre that the exact same seller is selling this hyaenidae skull that I believe is real: For an infinitely more expensive price than this "fossil skull" that are so well preserved and completely clean from the matrix: So why that the skull that is poorly preserved, that is, in such a poor state, costing more expansive than the museum quality skull? I do not rule out the possibility of being a modern hyena skull prepared with tannin to give the impression of colors with aging. Nor would it be the first time I've seen a supposed fossil skull, but it's actually a modern skull with tannin for sale. On the other hand, I know that the level of preservation of the fossils of Heilongjiang Province is not the same as that of Hezheng. But it's still too good to be true. My advice is to get away from this. Our dear friend @Crazyhen, who lives in China, can also try to help here. 5 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I agree with my good friend @Seguidora-de-Isis that this is a rather modern hyena skull. And there are fossils of hyena from Hezheng, but I am not aware of the presence of hyena fossil from Heilongjiang. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittenmittens Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thank you both. I have bought other stuff from this seller with no problem but thought this looked to good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I don’t think this skull is related to a hyena at all. It appears to be either a wolf or dog skull. Hard to tell if it is actually at least Pleistocene or if it is a dyed or stained Holocene skull. 4 Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Kittenmittens said: Thank you both. I have bought other stuff from this seller with no problem but thought this looked to good to be true. You are welcome! I bought from this seller some specimens of keichousaurus, fragment of hipparion skull and 1 tooth of Woolly Rhino. So often we can not blame the seller because I believe that in this case, not even the seller knows what he is reselling. That is, he buys from all parts of his country, and simply resells the same way he bought already labeled. So here is the same case as always, it is up to us collectors to educate us and study the specimens we wanted before the purchase, and if in doubt, to post here that there are always many people willing to help. 2 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, steelhead9 said: I don’t think this skull is related to a hyena at all. It appears to be either a wolf or dog skull. Hard to tell if it is actually at least Pleistocene or if it is a dyed or stained Holocene skull. It's true, my good friend steelhead9! It may be a skull of a dog, wolf and even modern hyena, it may be anything but definitely not what is being labeled. But unfortunately someone will end up buying it thinking it's a legitimate prehistoric museum-quality skull for a bargain! 1 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wightlight Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I agree that the skull isn't a hyena. Hyenas have fewer teeth ( I 3/3, C 1/1, PM 4/3 M 1/1 = 34 vs. wolf's I 3/3, C 1/1, PM 4/4, M 3/2 = 42), bigger zygomatic arch, much more pronounced sagittal crest, and a shorter, broader snout. The skull is a dog or wolf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Wightlight said: I agree that the skull isn't a hyena. Hyenas have fewer teeth ( I 3/3, C 1/1, PM 4/3 M 1/1 = 34 vs. wolf's I 3/3, C 1/1, PM 4/4, M 3/2 = 42), bigger zygomatic arch, much more pronounced sagittal crest, and a shorter, broader snout. The skull is a dog or wolf I agree, IMO no hyena. Position of breaking scissors does not fit IMO (special for hyena: Hyaenodontidae: between the second molars in the upper and the third molar in the lower jaw; Oxyaenidae: between the first molar in the upper and the second Molar in the lower jaw). Todays "furry predator friends": fourth premolar in the upper jaw; first molar in the lower jaw... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Either a dog or wolf. Definitely not any type of hyena. 1 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplomado Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I e-mailed the seller and he agreed. He said he would change the listing description tomorrow. Hopefully that will be the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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