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What ya think. Interesting one. I found this on a high exposed ridge over a small cliff. I frequently come across specimens in this area. But this one ???????IMG_0501.JPG.79feb181864ac2213bff4d5801736156.JPGIMG_0500.JPG.a22958460548930cf0b34049292e7517.JPGIMG_0500.JPG.a22958460548930cf0b34049292e7517.JPGIMG_0492.JPG.64c5f2eb0aaaea73a5077a46c7c57d2c.JPGIMG_0493.JPG.5f4684145ca11236f64cd07eecb10a11.JPGIMG_0495.JPG.a38b8b704d014dcaf8dead8b74bc4849.JPGIMG_0476.JPG.f2a9cd235a8a51b81f0403ac607686b4.JPGIMG_0499.JPG.095faaa5a76e2954665f491e1f623643.JPGIMG_0498.JPG.6367defa441c4728f09ba5126903b644.JPGIMG_0497.JPG.2d403d463bd9255d4e2d0d0d96516284.JPGIMG_0496.JPG.ca926fe80e1dd48c77e1934cc75753c9.JPGIMG_0495.JPG.a38b8b704d014dcaf8dead8b74bc4849.JPGIMG_0494.JPG.8b22013675d87419f2c13e6757d61201.JPGIMG_0493.JPG.5f4684145ca11236f64cd07eecb10a11.JPGIMG_0492.JPG.64c5f2eb0aaaea73a5077a46c7c57d2c.JPGIMG_0491.JPG.4614c66916afd0a86e4059eda91962ca.JPG

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Looks like a layered mineral concretion to me, meaning geologic rather than biologic.

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Sorry, but I think this is weathering, hydration and oxidation primarily, of a rock. As S.A.T. says, likely a concretion.

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plus 1 for concretion

 

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I am in the concretion group. I remember finding a rock that I sure thought had a skin pattern on it. It turned out to be mineral veining. 

If it were reptile skin we’d expect to see certain patterns. This is from a google search for reptile skin.

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If it were bone I’d expect to see bone texture and porosity in the underlying rock, which I don’t see.

Also, if it were bone with marrow filling or other filling it would look similar to this in shape. There is a certain thickness of bone wall to marrow ratio based on the animal and the location of the bone. The thick wall of your specimen doesn’t look like bone. 19D4B56F-3BC1-4329-AAB5-190E9C6719E8.jpeg.8b72c028232325a89de7bb1e32a12993.jpeg

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Rhizolith / Rhizoconcretion in maybe ancient Eolianite would be my best guess for the specimen in question, but I could be wrong.

 

Questions:
1 - What is the geological age of the sediments?
2 - Were reported rhizoliths from that area?

3 - Can you retake the picture below in a more focused higher resolution image?

 

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It is absolutely not a limb with muscle and skin at any rate. As the others are pointing out, it's a rock. If you can answer Abyssunder's questions, perhaps he can at least tell you what kind.

 

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Thanks for the reply's all. I know these pictures aren't the highest res. But this aint no rock.    I have no doubt it has mineralized but still.   This thin layer (skin) is consistent throughout the whole piece with equal uniformity.   It looks like a fore shank off of some mammal.  

 

 

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Sorry but you are mistaken. It's not skin. It's not a fossil.

 

We humans tend to see patterns everywhere even where there are none to be found.

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3 hours ago, shwa said:

This thin layer (skin) is consistent throughout the whole piece with equal uniformity.   

Does the whole thing get wet in the rain ?

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Here we go again. Another one who thinks a rock is a fossil because of its shape and structure. Hopefully we can convince him otherwise.

 

@shwa I agree that this rock has a shape similar to a foreshank, although that is a butcher's term rather than an anatomical one. Fossilized preserved muscle and skin are absolute rarities and do not coincide with what you have there. Bones preserve much better, but there is no sign of one here. A lot of rocks have a uniform "skin", which is actually a compound mineral crust around the inner sediment. These forms almost always have a round or oblong shape. This is what you have here. Purely stating that this ain't no rock is not very convincing. You would need to provide scientific evidence like this. Can you please convince us of your expertise by at least telling us what the geological age of the sediments in the area is and also if rhizoliths were reported from that area, as Abyssunder has asked?        

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The picture resolution is good enough to tell it is a rock. :( 

If you still do not believe us, perhaps taking it to a local museum or university, and having a qualified paleontologist look at it would be the better route to take. :) 

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+1 rock. 

Sometimes our brain interprets patterns that aren't there. Like seeing images in the clouds.

 

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I can see why it caught your attention!
The differentially patterned layers make an interesting geological specimen, but it is not of organic origin.

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8 minutes ago, shwa said:

Maybe its time for a trip down the expanded possibility highway. 

 

Conspiracy theorist.

That YouTuber is the same person who claims that, without scientific evidence, 50 foot tall ancient human DNA was found on Mars and that the truth is being covered up.

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29 minutes ago, shwa said:

Maybe its time for a trip down the expanded possibility highway. 

 

As a science-based forum, TFF doesn't indulge in the fantastical conjecture of the improbable...especially when there are explanations based on known processes and examples. 

 

It's reason that helps us discern what is accurate among the infinite possibilities we might believe.

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30 minutes ago, Bobby Rico said:

Thanks Kane you obliterated one of my dreams there, No 50 ft woman then:( 

No, Kane said "ancient human". The 50ft woman is modern so your dream can still live. :D

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I dont think we have any fossilized tissue as the others have said but I am curious about the answers to the questions abyssunder has asked and the additional view he requested.

I am also curious about two other features I noticed and wondering if a clear view of these might help explain more specifically what you might have. The end view shows an angular/spongy looking texture of some sort...is that soil/moss or mineral or something else?

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Internally, aside from outside rind that abyssunder has asked about, the layering in the upper left shows a texture difference almost like pores or holes where mineral grains may have fallen out...Is that the case?

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Are sharp closeups of these areas also possible? thanks. 

Regards, Chris 

 

 

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Hmmmm   what about this ??? https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/bones/iron-key-to-preserving-dinosaur-soft-tissue/             

Colorado Springs has it all as far as sediment age. This was found along an outcrop of the Cretaceous Larimie Formation.

The ends show iron oxide crystals with a lil quartz perhaps.     Sunny photos: 

 

 

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