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Seeking Vertebra ID - Duck Creek Formation


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My girlfriend recently found this vertebra at the Duck Creek Formation in North Texas. Was a bit of a surprise, didn't expect to find a vert at this locality, which is known more for ammonites, echinoids, and bivalves. One side of the vert has been prepped. Any help with an ID would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

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1 minute ago, Tidgy's Dad said:

Ichthyosaur is my feeling. 

That's what I thought too! But I read by the late Cretaceous, only a few species of ichthyosaur were still kicking around. Figured it would be a rather rare find for Duck Creek Formation.

 

Thanks, T! 

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4 minutes ago, facehugger said:

That's what I thought too! But I read by the late Cretaceous, only a few species of ichthyosaur were still kicking around. Figured it would be a rather rare find for Duck Creek Formation.

 

Thanks, T! 

I agree, pretty rare but have been found there, I think.

But somebody with more local knowledge will be along in a minute to tell me how wrong I am! :D

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I'm thinking more worn shark, though... 

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41 minutes ago, The Amateur Paleontologist said:

I'm thinking more worn shark, though... 

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Wow! That would be a massive shark. Vert measures 3 inches in width, and 1 1/8 inches in thickness. 

 

I thought that only the centrum usually survived on shark verts. One heckofa big centrum. Perhaps some more prep will reveal where processes attached, if not shark? What would be defining evidence of one or the other?

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1 hour ago, facehugger said:

Wow! That would be a massive shark. Vert measures 3 inches in width, and 1 1/8 inches in thickness. 

 

I thought that only the centrum usually survived on shark verts. One heckofa big centrum.

I somehow think that a large shark would be more likely than a Late Cretaceous ichthyosaur...

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21 minutes ago, The Amateur Paleontologist said:

I somehow think that a large shark would be more likely than a Late Cretaceous ichthyosaur...

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That does make sense to me, giving that literature states that very few ichthyosaur species remained during the late Cretaceous. 

 

A shark vert of this size is still very cool - but you know how it goes...still cheering on the ichthyosaur a little. 

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13 minutes ago, facehugger said:

still cheering on the ichthyosaur a little

Understandable ;) I also think that reptile fossils are cooler than shark fossils

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I do not think it is shark. Just looks wrong to me. I agree with @Tidgy's Dad that it is Ichthyosaur. 

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Can you rotate the vert around on edge and show any features present?  Both sharks and ichthyosaurs swam in the Kdc, the latter way more rare, but perhaps what you have here, TBD w addl photos. Great find.

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44 minutes ago, Uncle Siphuncle said:

Can you rotate the vert around on edge and show any features present?  Both sharks and ichthyosaurs swam in the Kdc, the latter way more rare, but perhaps what you have here, TBD w addl photos. Great find.

Thanks! I will absolutely post a few more pics when I get home from work. Until then, back to work...

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It would seem that rare opthalmosaurid ichthyosaurs such as Platyperygius occur in the Duck Creek Formation, but so does the 9 metre shark Leptostyrax.

I still lean toward ichthyosaur. 

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21 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said:

It would seem that rare opthalmosaurid ichthyosaurs such as Platyperygius occur in the Duck Creek Formation, but so does the 9 metre shark Leptostyrax.

I still lean toward ichthyosaur. 

Bone histology shown on edge strikes me as more reptilian too.

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It doesnt look like shark. Your piece seems more bone textured and shark are cartilage.

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3 hours ago, Uncle Siphuncle said:

Can you rotate the vert around on edge and show any features present? 

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3 minutes ago, NSRhunter said:

Icthyosaur Platyperigius sp., I too have found one in the Duck Creek. Very very rare. 

Astonishing. Her first vert too. She will be pleased. 

 

Now she just needs to find another one...

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Great find.  One up on me!

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2 hours ago, NSRhunter said:

Icthyosaur Platyperigius sp., I too have found one in the Duck Creek. Very very rare. 

Wasn't that an Icthyosaur tooth you found in the Duck Creek as well?

Shark verts as big as 5" were found in the same creek but I agree that this looks more like bone.

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3 hours ago, facehugger said:

Now she just needs to find me another one...

Hey, I'm just writting what you are thinking! :rofl:

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11 hours ago, facehugger said:

Wow! That would be a massive shark. Vert measures 3 inches in width, and 1 1/8 inches in thickness. 

 

I thought that only the centrum usually survived on shark verts. One heckofa big centrum. Perhaps some more prep will reveal where processes attached, if not shark? What would be defining evidence of one or the other?

 

It's not a shark because a shark centrum would be concave on both sides sloping at a low angle from the edge to the center (like a shallow hourglass) as you look straight at its round width (anteroposterior view) and there would be some indication of two openings top and bottom where the cartilaginous neural and hemal arches entered and attached.  The specimen in question does look more like reptilian bone in that it looks crumbly/grainy like dinosaur bone chunks as they weather.  A shark centrum chips and breaks, having a porcelain quality that way, rather than look like that.

 

Thinking about it more, a shark centrum that old might be more mineralized than the Miocene specimens I'm used to seeing so it might weather like bone but there should still be some indication of the openings and the biconcave shape front to back. 

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