Vera Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I found these fossils on the marble pylons at the railway station. Please, what are they? Thanks for answer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 They look like cross sections of Orthocone cephalopods. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Weird! And very interesting. How big are they? Could be cephalopod shells. Hello, and a very warm welcome to TFF from Morocco. 3 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Look like nautiloids to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplomado Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Awesome find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I think this might be helpful: " In addition to abundant Saccocoma and variable contents of Globochaete and Bositra, the samples contained also radiolarians, ostracods, crinoids, foraminifers such as Globuligerina, Nodosaria, Involutina, Spirilina, recrystallised bivalves, brachiopods, aptychi and calcareous dinoflagellates Colomisphaera minutissima, C. carpathica, C. lapidosa, C. fibrata, C. nagyi, C. pulla, Carpistomiosphaera borzai, Ca. tithonica, Cadosinaparvula and Stomiosphaera moluccana. According to microfacies and dinoflagellates (Reháková, 2000; Reháková et al., 2011), the rocks of the samples are of Oxfordian, Kimmeridgian and Tithonian ages. Abundant compressed aggregates of iron (III) oxide-hydroxide, clay minerals and ±quartz were found between the nodules. Occasionally, calcite veins were present. " excerpt from D. Pivko. 2017. Jurassic red nodular limestone from NE Slovakia used as the Ľubovňa “marble” during the Renaissance in Slovakia and Poland. Geological Quarterly, 61 (1): 53–61 5 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I'm pretty sure this one is a high spired gastropod. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I'll go along with Al Dente. If those pillars are Jurassic limestone/marble, then that would rule out orthocone nautiloids. 3 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Maybe Nerineidae http://www.paleotheque.fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Ludwigia said: I'll go along with Al Dente. If those pillars are Jurassic limestone/marble, then that would rule out orthocone nautiloids. I'd be inclined to agree, if we had any reliable location information, or scale of the fossils. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 look more like gastropods to me also "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vera Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 the length of fossil at first picture is app 5 cm, second and third picture app 10-15 cm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I am in the cephalopod camp on these. I can see no evidence of the spiral core of a gastropod shell in these pieces. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Well, it could be an orthocone or a Nerinae as said Caterpillar, but i think it will be hard to tell more. I won't choose a camp on this one. And a warm welcome on from France. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Now we have approximate dimensions, but we don't know the provenance of the red marble. What is sure, is that the geological age is Jurassic (Lias - Malm) in any cases, even if it was imported from the adjacent countries (Austria, Poland, Hungary, Romania, or Italy) and was not quarried in Slovakia. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, abyssunder said: What is sure, is that the geological age is Jurassic ( I think I missed something here. How was this determined? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ynot said: How was this determined? in my research This document may reveal more insides of the "red marble", I think. Edited February 9, 2019 by abyssunder 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just FYI: The stone industry and geologists use different terms for rock types. Most in the stone industry are marketable names and often, unfortunately, crookedly overlap, the geology terms. If is has fossils in it it almost can't be a marble, which is metamorphosed to the point of usually destroying any contained fossils. Most shell-packed commercial stones are limestones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Here are some images of fossiliferous "red marble" (nodular red limestone) plates from the metro station Politehnica, Bucarest, Romania. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, abyssunder said: Here are some images of fossiliferous "red marble" (nodular red limestone) plates from the metro station Politehnica, Bucarest, Romania. @FranzBernhard The first two photos (and others) look like rudists. What do you think? My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 @DPS Ammonite, thanks for tagging, I would have missed this very, very nice rocks! Yes, @abyssunder presented many rudist rocks, mostly with hippuritids. Very nice! Someone knowledgeable could even give proper names to it, they are very nicely preseved. 2 hours ago, Carl said: The stone industry and geologists use different terms for rock types. Oh yes! Every carbonate rock, that can be polished, is a marble for the stone industry. But this is very, very old usage, much older then geology as science. Just two different worlds. Like minerals: completely different things to mineralogists and nutritionists. Franz Bernhard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 18 hours ago, FranzBernhard said: @DPS Ammonite, thanks for tagging, I would have missed this very, very nice rocks! Yes, @abyssunder presented many rudist rocks, mostly with hippuritids. Very nice! Someone knowledgeable could even give proper names to it, they are very nicely preseved. Oh yes! Every carbonate rock, that can be polished, is a marble for the stone industry. But this is very, very old usage, much older then geology as science. Just two different worlds. Like minerals: completely different things to mineralogists and nutritionists. Franz Bernhard I agree, those are very nice rudists. I can't imagine a mineralogist considering he could eat his minerals for the good effects for his body and saying Something like "Yum, that iron is so tasty". I know a Quarry of morello cherry marble and also qualified morello cherry marble in the geologic file of the Bureau de Recherche Géologique et Minière, which is very fossiliferous whith a huge amount of goniaties and some orthocones. 2 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Very nice example, Sophie! 1 hour ago, FranzBernhard said: Yes, @abyssunder presented many rudist rocks, mostly with hippuritids. Very nice! Someone knowledgeable could even give proper names to it, they are very nicely preseved. Mr. conf. dr. Mihai E. Popa from University of Bucharest said that the red nodular limestone probably was extracted from the Gilău mountains, Săvădisla locality, and is very abundant in rudists with the genus Vaccinites, Hippurites and Radiolites. The geological age may be Upper Cretaceous (Maastrichtian). 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, abyssunder said: Very nice example, Sophie! Mr. conf. dr. Mihai E. Popa from University of Bucharest said that the red nodular limestone probably was extracted from the Gilău mountains, Săvădisla locality, and is very abundant in rudists with the genus Vaccinites, Hippurites and Radiolites. The geological age may be Upper Cretaceous (Maastrichtian). Thank you, i would have liked to bring some back home but when i hammered it, i haven't been able to scratch a millimeter. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, fifbrindacier said: Thank you, i would have liked to bring some back home but when i hammered it, i haven't been able to scratch a millimeter. Probably they are hard as stone, diagenetically transformed, in my thinking. like this rudist in my personal find, but it's grey " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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