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Kgbow

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Ok, so we searched and searched today. We FINALLY found a roadside shale bank, saw a few ferns and Cordiates (I’m learning) 

 

So we pulled this piece, split it and got a beauty of a fern. Then.... this fell out. It looks like a bone?!?! But I’m fully prepared to accept it’s a branch. Let us know.....

 

 

 

 

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Stem / trunk, I think.

Maybe a cordaitales or giant horsetail? 

Nice find.:)

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This is definitely plant, and not bone. The carbonization present indicates this to be the case.

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Wow! So we actually got the whole branch?

 

So we have cordaitales or a giant horsetail? How old? How should we go about cleaning and preserving? 

 

Could I Elmers and water it? Want to display it 

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It looks plant material to me too. Nice piece! :)

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All of your finds are going to be from the Carboniferous period, ... either Pennsylvanian or Mississippian in age - so from 358 mya to around 299 mya.  ;) 

It all depends where things were found, and which age is outcropping there. 

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beautiful piece, I too would scratch Horsetail from the list....I think they are generally more rounded, and even if compressed,  I think you'd see more of a demarcation line running down the middle where the piece was compressed. There is that little indentation on one side, but it doesn't show up down the whole piece....I'll be interested in finding out what others think about the kind of plant material it is...really cool piece. congratulations. Is it flaking apart...is that why you want to use elmers and water on it. I know some people do that, but personally, if it is hard and not falling apart I wouldn't do that.  I use bitvar on the flaking bones I have, but the fossilized mangrove stems I have are hard enough by themselves to not use any material. 

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3 hours ago, Kgbow said:

So you guys think it may be a stem from a Cordiate? 

I'm fairly confident it is the preserved (although flattened) pith cavity from the center of the trunk.

Perhaps @paleoflor is around to give us a more learned opinion ?

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Don't know if the specimen below was correctly labeled as Lonchopteris stem, but I see some similarities with the specimen in question.

 

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Possibly. The sheath doesn't seem as substantial as that in the post though. Given the nature of the distortion my sense is that a collapsed pith is a better fit. 

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43 minutes ago, abyssunder said:

Lonchopteris stem

Disregarding this particular example, it is easy to imagine this being a normal cross section for a fern in general.

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I totally agree with you instances, Dale. Not being qualified in the field of this particular domain, I can't gain any substantial prove to what the specimen in question might be. I'm just guessing like you did. The collapsed fact is true. :)

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Hi, is there any chance you would give it a bit of wash and submit additional photos. Perhaps one with a close up of a textured surface as well? I'd love to see some better detail.

 

Thank you, Kato

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3 hours ago, Kato said:

Hi, is there any chance you would give it a bit of wash and submit additional photos. Perhaps one with a close up of a textured surface as well? I'd love to see some better detail.

 

Thank you, Kato

No worries, will put some online tomorrow 

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Definitely a stem of some sort. Did you also collect the external mould by any chance? This might show more diagnostic features. Without it will be difficult to identify this further with confidence.

 

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6 hours ago, paleoflor said:

Definitely a stem of some sort. Did you also collect the external mould by any chance? This might show more diagnostic features. Without it will be difficult to identify this further with confidence.

 

Yep Tim, this area looks a little suspicious to me...diamond like outline of leaf scars? or just some random suggestive fractures...

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Would love to see what detail is going on in the mold as well and more sharp/clear photos. 

 

Very cool find!!

Regards, Chris 

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