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I think those are Turritellae terebralis.

Essonne is a department situated at the South of Paris.

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Here are the ones i've putted in the european rolling auction :

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Some of yours look different, so they might be another species.

Mine are from the lower miocene of the Aquitanian basin, the last transgression of the sea in the Parisian basin was during the Oligocene and left what is called the sands of Fontainebleau. Fontainebleau is in the department of Seine et Marne, but very near the department of Essonne (about 33 km between the towns of Fontainebleau and of Corbeil Essonnes). But if it is rightly labelled, yours are from the Eocene and i don't think this species existed at that stage.

So, i think the location can be right, but the age, if those are terebralisae, doesn't fit.

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The ones i find are usually between 5 and 7 cm, but i found one with its point unbroken, and it is 10 cm long.

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@marguy's identification fits better with the labelled age.

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Send me a message with your contact details, i'll send you one (i have them with my club).

The location fits, there's been several transgressions and régressions of the sea in that basin, @marguy knows that area better than me.

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Just in parenthesis: (Is the matrix Loess, or maybe not?) :headscratch:

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12 hours ago, JohnBrewer said:

does that fit with the location tho? 

actually I doubted  for the good location (or so we must reconsider, age and identification): Essonne is mostly oligocen, only a small area west from Arpajon (see picture) , near Breuillet has eocen but mostly Ypresian, not lutetian!
my guess, if it is what i think , T.(Haustator) imbricataria,  lutetian age, the fossil is likely to come from the region of Chaumont en Vexin, near Gisors (so NW of Paris and not South of Paris!)   On the geological map near Chaumont en Vexin, Lutetian is e5 a, b, c

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22 hours ago, JohnBrewer said:

The label says ‘Turitella Essonne France 45 million years old’

 

1 hour ago, JohnBrewer said:

To confuse these Turritella terebra - Miocène - Bordeaux - France seem identical to what I have

 

so, if Miocène, Burdigalian near Bordeaux, 15-20 million years, not 45 and not bassin parisien ! 

and in this case (miocène, Bordeaux basin), Fifi was  probably right for T Terebralis ...(color, shape seem identical) and the label is totally wrong (age and location!)

it remains confused by lack of precise information on the origin...
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21 hours ago, Darktooth said:

 Gee, why you look so serious John?:P

I had to go look at his profile to see the pic since you said that.

@JohnBrewer You don’t look anything like I remember the first profile pic looking like. Is this the same person as a year to year and a half ago? I don’t recall you looking so ruggedly handsome before, but then again it might be partly that amazing ammonite in the background that is so eye catching.

What is the ammonite? It looks amazing! Sorry to distract from the OP topic.

 

21 hours ago, fifbrindacier said:

The ones i find are usually between 5 and 7 cm, but i found one with its point unbroken, and it is 10 cm long.

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Wow! That is beautiful and impressive in size and that it was preserved so well is even more impressive. 

I found a form or turritella in Maryland, but they were so delicate that many didn’t survive the trip back to Texas. They were no where near this size.

 

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There is a Fossil Gastropod group on Facebook that is quite serious about their gastropods.

There is this one guy from Indonesia I think who posts a gastropod almost everyday. They are amazing, beautiful and quite diverse in size and genus. They’re pure eye candy. You may like it if you’re not on there already. I’m pretty much on FB just for my fossil groups.

If you can’t get the ID you need I imagine someone on there could help you if you're on FB. I think the group originates in Europe, maybe Italy or somewhere around the Mediterranean if I’m not mistaken.

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1 hour ago, KimTexan said:

I had to go look at his profile to see the pic since you said that.

@JohnBrewer You don’t look anything like I remember the first profile pic looking like. Is this the same person as a year to year and a half ago? I don’t recall you looking so ruggedly handsome before, but then again it might be partly that amazing ammonite in the background that is so eye catching.

What is the ammonite? It looks amazing! Sorry to distract from the OP topic.

 

Wow! That is beautiful and impressive in size and that it was preserved so well is even more impressive. 

I found a form or turritella in Maryland, but they were so delicate that many didn’t survive the trip back to Texas. They were no where near this size.

 

@JohnBrewer

There is a Fossil Gastropod group on Facebook that is quite serious about their gastropods.

There is this one guy from Indonesia I think who posts a gastropod almost everyday. They are amazing, beautiful and quite diverse in size and genus. They’re pure eye candy. You may like it if you’re not on there already. I’m pretty much on FB just for my fossil groups.

If you can’t get the ID you need I imagine someone on there could help you if you're on FB. I think the group originates in Europe, maybe Italy or somewhere around the Mediterranean if I’m not mistaken.

I'm confident about marguy's identification. I proposed mine because they look like the turritellae i know, noting the age didn't fit. Marguy knows better the area John's come from.

Thank you for your comment, it's really hard to find one with the point unbroken, even modern turritellae have their point broken, the more when the shell is Million of Years old.

 

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1 hour ago, KimTexan said:

You don’t look anything like I remember the first profile pic looking like. Is this the same person as a year to year and a half ago?

To be honest as I change my avatar so often I can’t remember what it was a year and a half ago! Often it’s a photo of Violet, my 10 year old. 

 

1 hour ago, KimTexan said:

What is the ammonite?

It’s an Arietites bucklandi from Germany infested by gryphea. I’ve only seen one more with gryphea and the ammo only had a few so mine, I guess, is pretty unique. It weighs about 50 lbs! I’m straining more than it looks in the photo. 

 

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1 hour ago, KimTexan said:

There is a Fossil Gastropod group on Facebook that is quite serious about their gastropods.

There is this one guy from Indonesia I think who posts a gastropod almost everyday.

Oh, I didn’t think of Facebook as I rarely use it. Thanks for the heads up. 

 

 
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3 hours ago, JohnBrewer said:

To confuse these Turritella terebra - Miocène - Bordeaux - France seem identical https://www.alamyimages.fr/photo-image-escargot-de-mer-fossile-oiseaux-turritella-terebra-miocene-bordeaux-france-33820515.html to what I have :headscratch:

I also saw that page, but i didn't mentioned it because i didn't want to confuse you.

You might also find an answer here http://fossilshells.nl.

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12 minutes ago, JohnBrewer said:

To be honest as I change my avatar so often I can’t remember what it was a year and a half ago! Often it’s a photo of Violet, my 10 year old. 

 

It’s an Arietites bucklandi from Germany infested by gryphea. I’ve only seen one more with gryphea and the ammo only had a few so mine, I guess, is pretty unique. It weighs about 50 lbs! I’m straining more than it looks in the photo. 

 

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That's good for musculation !

Rise it over your head, 1, 2, 3, 4

Up and down to your feet, 1, 2, 3, 4

To your left, 1, 2, 3, 4

To your right, 1, 2, 3, 4

Throw it in the air and catch it with your feet, 1, 2, 3, 4

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11 minutes ago, fifbrindacier said:

That's good for musculation !

Rise it over your head, 1, 2, 3, 4

Up and down to your feet, 1, 2, 3, 4

To your left, 1, 2, 3, 4

To your right, 1, 2, 3, 4

Throw it in the air and catch it with your feet, 1, 2, 3, 4

Not at my age!

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