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Hello all. Please help me decide on my next acquisition. I have the opportunity to buy a Permian reptile. The seller has both a captorhinus and Labidosaurus. Both are free from the matrix and prepped on a limestone display base. Similar in size. Is one more rare than the other? Not too much info on these. They were obtained from OK. Thanks

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Yes, the Labidosaurus is the more uncommon of the two.  Captorhinus is the most common of the reptiles that get assembled from isolated remains.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if one or more of the bones is from a different genus or species, but you need to be before you buy something like that.  You don't want to make it rain for somebody and then find out three years from now that your prized skeleton has two left front feet, the tail of something else, and a skull made half out of putty.

 

I heard a dealer once tell a newbie that he needs to become his own expert.  There's never a Permian reptile specialist around when you need one.  Find photos/illustrations of Captorhinus and Labidosaurus bones and skeletons.  Find someone who can teach you how to tell the difference between a Labidosaurus femur and one from Captorhinus.  You don't have to do it tonight but get on it if you're serious.

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6 hours ago, siteseer said:

There's never a Permian reptile specialist around when you need one. 

 

These people could be helpful, though :) 

 

Sean Modesto (E-mail: sean modesto@uccb.ca) and Robert Reisz (robert.reisz@utoronto.ca)...

 

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9 hours ago, siteseer said:

Yes, the Labidosaurus is the more uncommon of the two.  Captorhinus is the most common of the reptiles that get assembled from isolated remains.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if one or more of the bones is from a different genus or species, but you need to be before you buy something like that.  You don't want to make it rain for somebody and then find out three years from now that your prized skeleton has two left front feet, the tail of something else, and a skull made half out of putty.

 

I heard a dealer once tell a newbie that he needs to become his own expert.  There's never a Permian reptile specialist around when you need one.  Find photos/illustrations of Captorhinus and Labidosaurus bones and skeletons.  Find someone who can teach you how to tell the difference between a Labidosaurus femur and one from Captorhinus.  You don't have to do it tonight but get on it if you're serious.

 

3 hours ago, The Amateur Paleontologist said:

 

These people could be helpful, though :) 

 

Sean Modesto (E-mail: sean modesto@uccb.ca) and Robert Reisz (robert.reisz@utoronto.ca)...

 

-Christian

 

9 hours ago, Tidgy's Dad said:

What he said. :)

Thank you all for your input. Are these much more difficult to obtain nowadays? He told me that public acess to the region in OK where they are collected is no longer allowed. Just wondering if it is a good investment. 

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Hi,

 

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You have to write : modesto @ uccb.ca and robert.reisz @ utoronto.ca ;)

 

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On 2/19/2019 at 6:34 AM, Dracarys said:

 

 

Thank you all for your input. Are these much more difficult to obtain nowadays? He told me that public acess to the region in OK where they are collected is no longer allowed. Just wondering if it is a good investment. 

 

You should look into that too but it is my understanding that there is a lot of territory for Permian vertebrates in Texas and Oklahoma.  That dealer may be an honest guy but never let the person selling you something be your sole sole source of information.  In general fossils are not a good investment.  People who know what they're doing misread the market sometimes and find out later that they bought too high to even break even.  Ask yourself a question, "How are you going to convince somebody to buy it 10-15-20 years from now if you don't do some research now?  Potential buyers are going to have questions. 

 

I don't want to sound like I want to talk you out of buying something like that if you really want one but you need to know your stuff the way an experienced art collector looks at paintings or sculptures before buying.

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I would recommend contacting the paleontology department at the Sam Noble Museum in Oklahoma-they were/are a great help for many Oklahoman fossils and would be able to help you out with this :)

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@dinodigger also has experience with permian reptiles and has been helpful in identifying such :)

"Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."
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If you want our help in deciding which one to buy as a fossil for a collection, you should post pictures for us to judge them by. If you are asking which would be a better investment, then buy neither one and put your money on the S&P 500 indexasaurus :dinosmile:

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