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Small velociraptorine Nuthetes hand/foot claw

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TyBoy

Nice what is the length?  How did you ID it?

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JoeS

what a beauty! congratulations on this find. Will be interesting to see what people say about the ID.

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Manticocerasman

very nice :envy:

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Birdman

Thank you for your comments and compliments everyone. 

 

TyBoy: It measures 5.5 mm. It's a preliminary id but there are only two known theropods it could belong to. And we have Nuthetes and Ashdown mainiraptor described from the Purbeck/Wealden, it could be either of those. Wyleyiia valdensis is considered a bird. It certainly is theropod dinosaur going by the morphology.No other theropods this size have been described from the mainland wealden. Have found several of these this size. As far as I know, they are possibly the smallest theropod claws ever found in the Wealden. The claw is very narrow and the blood groove (either side) is obvious. As we can rule out bird it only leaves small bird size theropod. I have seen images of bird claws and the ones I have seen are distinctly different to theropod. Going by its size, I have estimated the size of the animal to be about the size of a magpie. 

 

I have another surprise, another new find that should be of great interest. More later on that.

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Birdman

I left the matrix alone on the other side, the claw is too small and the matrix is fragile.

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TyBoy

Thank you.  Given the size wouldn't one lean toward bird?

 

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Birdman

Yes, I'm finding that is the problem! Assuming it is adult, that it would be smaller than the smallest known theropod dinosaur and that is a problem. If someone can show me that Mesozoic bird claws can be similar to small theropods then bird would be a real possibility. It would be more exotic if it were bird.

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Jonwealden

What a super find, nice detailed images. It could be a sub-adult ? Look forward to seeing your latest find Birdman 

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Troodon

Definitely cool.  Since you've found several this size its most likely from something close to or an adult.   It certainly could be something yet undescribed since weve only scratched the surface describing material. One cannot make the call it can only be described material.  Any chance of showing this to a local paleontologist/museum and see what they say.  If you found a few chances more will be found.

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Jonwealden

 What Birdman is finding is probably a new species, if it's not sub-adult.  I doubt more will be found other than those that Birdman is searching for, as he has the most meticulous fossil eye !

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PaleoNoel

As always, I'm extremely impressed by your ever-growing and fantastic collection of fossils.

 

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Birdman

Troodon - on the claw. I agree with your analysis, it is more likely adult for the fact that I have found several of that are of similar size. I haven't heard of anyone else finding claws that size in the mainland Wealden.

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JohnBrewer
18 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Thanks guys - Troodon, Jonwealden and PaleoNoal. I have another one for you, a tooth this time, only found 2 days ago in my collection of Wealden bone bed. It's another velociraptorine tooth. I had to spend a few hours prepping this one out as only a few serrations were showing! I can't believe how this one has turned out, it's another beauty. Just look at those unworn perfect serrations.

 

 

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Wow, stunning! What a find. 

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Jonwealden

Nice tooth Birdman  !

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PaleoNoel

Quite the stunner!

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Birdman

Thanks JohnBrewer, JWealden, PaleoNoel. Now I want to find another claw....or anything really....:). Darn. I wish I had taken a before photo of this one. Nevermind. 

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TheClawGuy

The claw looks much more Ornithomimidae than Dromaeosaurid. I have a Dromaeosaurid I got from you from the same area that looks like the stereotypical morphology of a Dromaeosaurid

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TheClawGuy

It could also be Coelurosaur. Here’s mine from Portugal. Yours is missing the articulating end but the front matches fairly well. I used a filter to overlay the claws and this claw fit very well in the mid section of the claw. The top views are quite similar as well. 

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Birdman

TheClawGuy, Interesting analysis. I am leaning towards this claw being coelurosaur. Your finding is very compelling. Fascinating.

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JohnBrewer

Lovely find again!

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PaleoNoel

Awesome find!

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