Birdman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I found this lovely velociraptorine claw while searching my Wealden bone bed collection. I enjoyed taking these photos, they are some of the most striking images I have taken of a fossil I think. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBoy Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Nice what is the length? How did you ID it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeS Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 what a beauty! congratulations on this find. Will be interesting to see what people say about the ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 very nice growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Thank you for your comments and compliments everyone. TyBoy: It measures 5.5 mm. It's a preliminary id but there are only two known theropods it could belong to. And we have Nuthetes and Ashdown mainiraptor described from the Purbeck/Wealden, it could be either of those. Wyleyiia valdensis is considered a bird. It certainly is theropod dinosaur going by the morphology.No other theropods this size have been described from the mainland wealden. Have found several of these this size. As far as I know, they are possibly the smallest theropod claws ever found in the Wealden. The claw is very narrow and the blood groove (either side) is obvious. As we can rule out bird it only leaves small bird size theropod. I have seen images of bird claws and the ones I have seen are distinctly different to theropod. Going by its size, I have estimated the size of the animal to be about the size of a magpie. I have another surprise, another new find that should be of great interest. More later on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 I left the matrix alone on the other side, the claw is too small and the matrix is fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBoy Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Thank you. Given the size wouldn't one lean toward bird? @Auspex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Yes, I'm finding that is the problem! Assuming it is adult, that it would be smaller than the smallest known theropod dinosaur and that is a problem. If someone can show me that Mesozoic bird claws can be similar to small theropods then bird would be a real possibility. It would be more exotic if it were bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, TyBoy said: Given the size wouldn't one lean toward bird? 1 hour ago, Birdman said: smaller than the smallest known theropod dinosaur Birds are Avian Theropods, but I don't think this claw is avian. The "blood groove" is too pronounced, and the flexor protuberance too minimized for any known avian. Maybe Fire Dragon? (an Anne McCaffrey reeference) 4 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwealden Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 What a super find, nice detailed images. It could be a sub-adult ? Look forward to seeing your latest find Birdman In the footsteps of Mantell and Anning, searching for dinosaur with a passion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Definitely cool. Since you've found several this size its most likely from something close to or an adult. It certainly could be something yet undescribed since weve only scratched the surface describing material. One cannot make the call it can only be described material. Any chance of showing this to a local paleontologist/museum and see what they say. If you found a few chances more will be found. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwealden Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 What Birdman is finding is probably a new species, if it's not sub-adult. I doubt more will be found other than those that Birdman is searching for, as he has the most meticulous fossil eye ! 1 In the footsteps of Mantell and Anning, searching for dinosaur with a passion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 As always, I'm extremely impressed by your ever-growing and fantastic collection of fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Thanks guys - Troodon, Jonwealden and PaleoNoal. I have another one for you, a tooth this time, only found 2 days ago in my collection of Wealden bone bed. It's another velociraptorine tooth. I had to spend a few hours prepping this one out as only a few serrations were showing! I can't believe how this one has turned out, it's another beauty. Just look at those unworn perfect serrations. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Troodon - on the claw. I agree with your analysis, it is more likely adult for the fact that I have found several of that are of similar size. I haven't heard of anyone else finding claws that size in the mainland Wealden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Birdman said: Thanks guys - Troodon, Jonwealden and PaleoNoal. I have another one for you, a tooth this time, only found 2 days ago in my collection of Wealden bone bed. It's another velociraptorine tooth. I had to spend a few hours prepping this one out as only a few serrations were showing! I can't believe how this one has turned out, it's another beauty. Just look at those unworn perfect serrations. Wow, stunning! What a find. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwealden Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Nice tooth Birdman ! In the footsteps of Mantell and Anning, searching for dinosaur with a passion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Quite the stunner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Thanks JohnBrewer, JWealden, PaleoNoel. Now I want to find another claw....or anything really....:). Darn. I wish I had taken a before photo of this one. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClawGuy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The claw looks much more Ornithomimidae than Dromaeosaurid. I have a Dromaeosaurid I got from you from the same area that looks like the stereotypical morphology of a Dromaeosaurid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClawGuy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 It could also be Coelurosaur. Here’s mine from Portugal. Yours is missing the articulating end but the front matches fairly well. I used a filter to overlay the claws and this claw fit very well in the mid section of the claw. The top views are quite similar as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 TheClawGuy, Interesting analysis. I am leaning towards this claw being coelurosaur. Your finding is very compelling. Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 I just made another nice find. This is a really beautiful Dromaeosaurid hand claw. It's the best, most complete I have found so far. Hastings Beds Weald Clay Sussex 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Lovely find again! John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Awesome find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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