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I’m not sure what this is but I found it splitting shale that has trilobites and cephalopods and I think it’s devonian age. Hoping the pictures are good enough. It reminds me of a tooth from something I had seen a while ago...

 

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That’s what I thought at first but it has a very distinct shape which I have seen before but not here in NY. I need to get better images because it tapers up and then back down, with one high ridge in the middle followed outwards by two others getting smaller as they move outward

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Hey Rob, 

That looks like a "squish out" of a Paleozygopleura hamiltonae.

 

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EDIT:   Hmm.   :zzzzscratchchin:

 

On second thought, ... It could be a phyllocarid mandible

Maybe @mcgcsp   @mikeymig   @GerryK will have a look.  

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Yup. Have to go with Phyllocarid mandible!

Great find, Rob!

This from Deep Springs Road? 

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That would explain the tail section I found as well with the spines....I knew it looked familiar. Thanks guy for the assistance

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Pictures, Rob, or it didn't happen. :P 

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I will post them with this post tonight, I am picking up the 1879 hall, New York paleontology series books today from a gent up here. 

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First thought was Phyllocarid (Echinocaris) jaw. 

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Here is the description and figures from Hall & Clarke 1888:

 

Hall, J., & Clarke, J.M. 1888

Palaeontology VII. Containing descriptions and figures of the trilobites and other crustacea of the Oriskany, upper Helderberg, Hamilton, Portage, Chemung and Catskill Groups. Geological Survey of New York, Natural History of New York, 7:1-236  PDF LINK

 

Mandibles of Phyllocarida - Associated with Echinocaris punctata, in the locality which has produced the greatest number of specimens, viz., Pratt's Falls, and near Pompey Center, Onondaga county, large masticatory organs have been found quite abundantly, which, judging from a general similarity to the mandibles found in situ in this species, may be regarded as undoubtedly belonging to some species of the Phyllocarida. Beecher has described and illustrated these bodies (loc. cit.), and has indicated the fact that if bearing the same proportion to the carapace as do the mandibles in E. punctata, they must have belonged either to large individuals of this species or to some gigantic species yet unknown to us.

 

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