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post-2335-12550371598123_thumb.jpgpost-2335-12550371751916_thumb.jpgpost-2335-12550371993977_thumb.jpgI found this fossil in Colorado. The shop stated that it was a fossil fern but it doesn't look like any that I have seen online. Any ideas? I would like a firm definition of what it is, and possibly where it came from if anyone has ideas. I'm a new member and this is my first posting. Help?
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Possibly Permian "fern" wood; Google "Tietea Psaronius".

Most of it comes from Brazil.

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Possibly Permian "fern" wood; Google "Tietea Psaronius".

Most of it comes from Brazil.

I was thinking "tree fern" but that's so not my thing.

Update:

Cycad ? - fossils present in Colorado, I believe

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i've got some of the brazilian stuff but i've never seen any like this specimen, so i don't know. pretty cool, though.

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I think I agree with Smilodon on the Cycad possibility. Maybe a piece from the crown where all of the fronds are coming out of (think of what a Sago palm looks like).

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Fossil-lover.... Nice specimen.... and welcome, thanks for sharing that with us....

Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... :)

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It is most certainly a fern. It is the stem of a tree fern or similar thick-stemmed fern and may originate from Australia. Yours is one of the most gorgeous uncut pieces I've ever seen. Check out these URLs for some pictures:

https://www.westerncoloradopublishing.com/fossil_wood__Australia.html

http://www.fossilmall.com/EDCOPE_Enterprises/plants/plfossil77/plantfossil77.htm

http://www.mrt.tas.gov.au/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/MRT_INTERNET_PAGE_GROUP/MRT_EXPLORATION_AND_MINING/MRT_FOSSICKING/MRT_FOSSICKING_AREAS/OCCURRENCE_GEMSTONES_V8.PDF

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It is most certainly a fern. It is the stem of a tree fern or similar thick-stemmed fern and may originate from Australia.

Now that's cool!

Thanks Carl; the collective knowledge of the Forum scores again :)

"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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It is most certainly a fern. It is the stem of a tree fern or similar thick-stemmed fern and may originate from Australia. Yours is one of the most gorgeous uncut pieces I've ever seen. Check out these URLs for some pictures:

https://www.westerncoloradopublishing.com/fossil_wood__Australia.html

http://www.fossilmall.com/EDCOPE_Enterprises/plants/plfossil77/plantfossil77.htm

http://www.mrt.tas.gov.au/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/MRT_INTERNET_PAGE_GROUP/MRT_EXPLORATION_AND_MINING/MRT_FOSSICKING/MRT_FOSSICKING_AREAS/OCCURRENCE_GEMSTONES_V8.PDF

Carl - thank you for this information. I was leaning toward the Osmunda fern but the photo from the fossil mall was so much more exquisite in the cross section. The photos of fossil wood from Australia are more helpful. The bundle ends on my specimen are what intrigue me. I can't find any photos anywhere that look like them. I am still trying to figure out if they are like the fossilized fan palm root bundles of Washingtonia filifera. Your thoughts? Regards, Christine

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It is most certainly a fern. It is the stem of a tree fern or similar thick-stemmed fern and may originate from Australia. Yours is one of the most gorgeous uncut pieces I've ever seen. Check out these URLs for some pictures:

https://www.westerncoloradopublishing.com/fossil_wood__Australia.html

http://www.fossilmall.com/EDCOPE_Enterprises/plants/plfossil77/plantfossil77.htm

http://www.mrt.tas.gov.au/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/MRT_INTERNET_PAGE_GROUP/MRT_EXPLORATION_AND_MINING/MRT_FOSSICKING/MRT_FOSSICKING_AREAS/OCCURRENCE_GEMSTONES_V8.PDF

It's clearly part of a cycad, but why in the world would you think it's from Australia? He bought it in a rockshop in Colorado. This material abounds in Colorado, Utah, and New Mexico.

Please see my post from 6:50 yesterday

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Could be local, but rock shops aren't what they used to be; fossils are becoming a global commodity.

"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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Carl - thank you for this information. I was leaning toward the Osmunda fern but the photo from the fossil mall was so much more exquisite in the cross section. The photos of fossil wood from Australia are more helpful. The bundle ends on my specimen are what intrigue me. I can't find any photos anywhere that look like them. I am still trying to figure out if they are like the fossilized fan palm root bundles of Washingtonia filifera. Your thoughts? Regards, Christine

First, just to be clear, there is no chance that it is a cycad - cycad morphology is strikingly different. Additionally, cycadeoids are more common as fossils and even more commonly wrongly IDed as cycads. But I digress! And as to its presence in the US west, as anyone who collects fossils knows, fossil dealers deal globally. If it was found by you in situ, that would be another story entirely. Now to your question: it definitely won't be Washingtonia because that Washingtonia is a true palm and what you have is a fern. It's almost certainly an osmundaceous fern, but where to go from there, I'm lost... But needless to say, it is absolutely gorgeous!

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First, just to be clear, there is no chance that it is a cycad - cycad morphology is strikingly different. Additionally, cycadeoids are more common as fossils and even more commonly wrongly IDed as cycads. But I digress! And as to its presence in the US west, as anyone who collects fossils knows, fossil dealers deal globally. If it was found by you in situ, that would be another story entirely. Now to your question: it definitely won't be Washingtonia because that Washingtonia is a true palm and what you have is a fern. It's almost certainly an osmundaceous fern, but where to go from there, I'm lost... But needless to say, it is absolutely gorgeous!

Carl - thank you so much for this information! What a wondeful resource this forum has proven to be. I appreciate your sharing your knowledge with me. Christine

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"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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Carl/Smilodon, I was perusing a site today ....How about another possible supporting picture for the tentative tree fern id....

There is a permian Tubicaulis africanus cross section (London Nat History Museum) that looks similar to photo #1. http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=78546&frm=ser&search=tree. Maybe not age or genus/species appropriate but structural similarities??? Thoughts??Regards, Chris

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Good job, Chris. Definitely in the same fern group - Osmundaceae. I'm sure the posted fossil is a petrified osmundacean stem fragment.

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