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9 minutes ago, TqB said:

Unusual but not unknown I believe

Agreed. It seems like Iv'e read (maybe Seilicher) of a preservation bias that may be the cause. I don't remember just what it may have been though.

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2 hours ago, TqB said:

Unusual but not unknown I believe, especially when the outer shell is fragile and the siphuncle robust. Or the septa could have been obscured/lost, as in parts of this 7" Carboniferous Pseudactinoceratid I photographed in the field.

Anyway, it was only a tentative suggestion. 

 

 

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Very cool!

Regards, Chris 

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I wonder if a clearer picture could be obtained...looks like there are alot of details there that are not in focus. Do you think having 

these in sharp focus would provide an answer? 

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Sorry for the double entry...thought I was editing the former post...

Regards, Chris 

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46 minutes ago, Plantguy said:

Do you think having 

these in sharp focus would provide an answer? 

Could even make it a sponge ?

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I looked at the original post again because this thread has piqued my curiosity and I'd like to offer another possibility. Notice that I said "possibility". 

 

Could this be the mold of a fish spine?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

Could this be the mold of a fish spine?

It wouldn't be that far off for a  chondrichthyan. Would it ? 

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33 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

It wouldn't be that far off for a  chondrichthyan. Would it ? 

That was my thought. It would explain the regularity of individual members segments.

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added strikethrough and replacement

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

Could this be the mold of a fish spine?

I see nothing of other bone parts and the separation is flat where a fish vert has a cone shaped separation.

I do not see anything fishy about this.

Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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10 minutes ago, ynot said:

where a fish vert has a cone shaped separation

Yes, but we're only seeing the edges of the mold. It may have indeed conical at some point in time.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

Yes, but we're only seeing the edges of the mold. It may have indeed conical at some point in time.

When You look at the side of a cone You see a triangle, not a flat line.

I can not see any way that this could be from a fish.

Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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42 minutes ago, ynot said:

When You look at the side of a cone You see a triangle, not a flat line.

What do you see when you look at the side of a cone that isn't there anymore? The edge of the disc is a flat line.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

What do you see when you look at the side of a cone that isn't there anymore? The edge of the disc is a flat line.

There is an image on the net of a cane fashioned from a shark spine. Strait as an arrow. ;)

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I submit this:

 

 

verts.png

 

Imagine a mold of this, then remove everything except 25% of the diameter, then remove everything except the edge of that 25%.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

What do you see when you look at the side of a cone that isn't there anymore? The edge of the disc is a flat line.

If the cone is a replacement of the cartilage between the verts it would be one solid piece. How would it erode to a flat plane?

 

33 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

There is an image on the net of a cane fashioned from a shark spine. Strait as an arrow. ;)

But does it show internal structures? 

 

15 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

I submit this:

What do skateboard wheels have to do with this discussion?:heartylaugh:

Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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2 minutes ago, ynot said:

What do skateboard wheels have to do with this discussion?:heartylaugh:

Snarge, I thought I was drawing shark vertebra. Maybe I'll get a job as a skateboard wheel designer. :default_rofl:

 

 

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56 minutes ago, ynot said:

Another thing- why do the insides of the (supposed) fish vert molds show a flat surface with no characteristics of a fish vert mold?

Note how 90%-ish of the circumference can be featureless.

 

fossil_shark_vertebra.jpg

 

 

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This sequence of wear explains it all:

Note how the conical features disappear.

 

 

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verts2.png

vert3.png

verts5.png

 

 

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OK, so now it is not a bony fish but a shark?

I would still expect to see some features within the "mold" to indicate a vert. There are none.

As for the cone, explain how a flat wall is left within the mold as is in the OP's piece.

(Top segment where Plantguy put a red arrow.)

13 hours ago, Plantguy said:

I wonder if a clearer picture could be obtained...looks like there are alot of details there that are not in focus. Do you think having 

these in sharp focus would provide an answer? 

5cea75be95437_uknownpossibleorthoconenautiloidfragment.thumb.jpg.4a8904606d6277ee54f7c3ed6045238c.jpg

 

Sorry for the double entry...thought I was editing the former post...

Regards, Chris 

 

 

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Can We see some better focuses picture, please?

Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection

My favorite thread on TFF.

 

 

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I'm still not sure of anything, just stating possibilities. I agree that better photos may be more diagnostic.

 

 

Mark.

 

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2 hours ago, ynot said:

But does it show internal structures? 

Kind of the point.

No it doesn't, but that would mean they might be filled in with more mobile/soluble material that wouldn't necessarily be distinguishable in a mold fossil.

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