fossilized6s Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 @piranha @GerryK Can anyone confirm this is Paladin transilis? I found this in the Carboniferous of Illinois. Not sure if they've ever been described here...... And yes it's preserved in pyrite. 8 ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facehugger Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Cannot confirm, but wow! Sure is lovely. I will pray to the fossil gods to keep pyrite rot away from your marvelous specimen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 @piranha would be able to offer an authoritative answer. Lovely specimen! Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Very nice colorful find! Paladin transilis is a Russian species. "Carboniferous of Illinois" is a broad term, what is the formation? This specimen has a median preoccipital lobe and pygidium that matches key features for Ditomopyge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Well Charlie, looks like you won the "Golden Trilo" award! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 hours ago, facehugger said: Cannot confirm, but wow! Sure is lovely. I will pray to the fossil gods to keep pyrite rot away from your marvelous specimen... 3 hours ago, FossilDAWG said: @piranha would be able to offer an authoritative answer. Lovely specimen! Don 2 hours ago, caldigger said: Well Charlie, looks like you won the "Golden Trilo" award! Thanks guys. I'm pretty happy with it so far. More to come. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, piranha said: Very nice colorful find! Paladin transilis is a Russian species. "Carboniferous of Illinois" is a broad term, what is the formation? This specimen has a median preoccipital lobe and pygidium that matches key features for Ditomopyge. Thank you. It's still unclear what formation this is, because there aren't any papers that i know of on this site. But i believe it is the Carbondale formation. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, fossilized6s said: Thank you. It's still unclear what formation this is, because there aren't any papers that i know of on this site. But i believe it is the Carbondale formation. Was there a shale member above or below that you noticed? A coal seam? Limestone? You see what I'm getting at, right? Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 That is one very nice find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark Kmiecik said: Was there a shale member above or below that you noticed? A coal seam? Limestone? You see what I'm getting at, right? Glacial deposit, then gray shale (trilo layer), then black shale, then limestone. That's why I'm leaning towards Carbondale. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, fossilized6s said: Glacial deposit, then gray shale (trilo layer), then black shale, then limestone. That's why I'm leaning towards Carbondale. Possibly Excello Shale member then? Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 7 hours ago, westcoast said: That is one very nice find 6 hours ago, abyssunder said: pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically Thanks guys. I appreciate it. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Mark Kmiecik said: Possibly Excello Shale member then? Not sure. I'll have to look into it more. Thank you. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Not all that glitters is gold, but may this beautiful specimen continue to do so. Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deutscheben Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Wow! Those are stunning. I have found trilobites in the Pennsylvanian La Salle Limestone member of the Bond Formation in La Salle County, Illinois that look similar, and the guidebooks list Ditomopyge and Ameura as the only two genera present. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 11, 2019 Author Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 hours ago, deutscheben said: Wow! Those are stunning. I have found trilobites in the Pennsylvanian La Salle Limestone member of the Bond Formation in La Salle County, Illinois that look similar, and the guidebooks list Ditomopyge and Ameura as the only two genera present. Thanks. That's good to know. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 11, 2019 Author Share Posted July 11, 2019 19 hours ago, Missourian said: Not all that glitters is gold, but may this beautiful specimen continue to do so. Thanks Missourian for your blessing. Lol ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 The genal spine seems a bit on the short side to be the specie you mentioned in the OP. I'm getting better at trilos and I'm not even trying. I hold this forum responsible for that phenomenon. Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said: The genal spine seems a bit on the short side to be the specie you mentioned in the OP. I'm getting better at trilos and I'm not even trying. I hold this forum responsible for that phenomenon. The species (species is singular and plural) frequently seen on the internet labeled as Paladin transilis is actually Ditompyge producta. The median preoccipital lobe is the easiest way to tell them apart. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, piranha said: The species (species is singular and plural) frequently seen on the internet labeled as Paladin transilis is actually Ditompyge producta. The median preoccipital lobe is the easiest way to tell them apart. I see what you mean -- I am now unlearning the previous info. There's really no point in Googling an image of anything, is there? It's all BS. Only the images showed it at least twice the length of these drawings. Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Just now, Mark Kmiecik said: There's really no point in Googling an image of anything, is there? It's all BS. Only the images showed it at least twice the length of these drawings. Not necessarily. There is a mix of legitimate and illegitimate/irrelevant images available on Google. Keep in mind that the images supplied are based on what the bot crawler finds, and may include mislabelled information, or tangentially associated reference (a search for a specific trilobite yielded a picture of my friend that might have appeared on a site referencing the trilobite). Ideally, going to peer-reviewed academic sources is the gold standard, but some of the images referenced in a Google image search may include those. Navigating the images search requires some skills in curating information, and this remains true of anything found on the internet. 2 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said: I see what you mean -- I am now unlearning the previous info. There's really no point in Googling an image of anything, is there? It's all BS. Only the images showed it at least twice the length of these drawings. The genal spines are variable depending on the species. Figure 5a from the Treatise on Invertebrate Paleontology is Ditomopyge scitula. In comparing the Russian species of Paladin transilis and Ditomopyge producta, besides the absence of a preoccipital lobe, the genal spines of P. transilis extend only to the 7th thoracic segment. The genal spines of D. producta extend considerably further down to the pygidium. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, piranha said: The genal spines are variable depending on the species. Figure 5a from the Treatise on Invertebrate Paleontology is Ditomopyge scitula. In comparing the Russian species of Paladin transilis and Ditomopyge producta, besides the absence of a preoccipital lobe, the genal spines of P. transilis extend only to the 7th thoracic segment. The genal spines of D. producta extend considerably further down to the pygidium. I am beginning to understand that the image is a depiction of the genus? and species vary from that within a limited range. Trilobites are somewhat complicated. Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mark Kmiecik said: I am beginning to understand that the image is a depiction of the genus? and species vary from that within a limited range. Trilobites are somewhat complicated. It may be due to faunal provinces which account for the variation. This will account for some allopatric speciation. For example, the faunal range for a Ductina vietnamica might have been broader than, say, a Coltraneia oufatenensis. And, yes, trilobites can be complicated... but so, too, can be the most intriguing romances! ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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