LawdogGRNJ Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Found this yesterday while hunting with the family, in Big Brook. Can't tell if it's Croc, Mosasaurus, or something else. I forgot to include a ruler in the pictures, but the fragment is about 5 inches in length. Any help on how to safely remove the green sand stuck to it would be greatly appreciated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LawdogGRNJ Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 Larger tooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawdogGRNJ Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 Another view of the smallest tooth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frankh8147 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Enchodus jaw section - very nice! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 + 1 for Enchodus jaw. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawdogGRNJ Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 Thanks all! Any thoughts on what sub would be best to ask about removing the green sands matrix and preserving the fossil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I don't quite know what you mean by sub, but to remove the surrounding matrix I would recommend for this piece a sharp scalpel blade / x-acto knife and good magnification and then coat in either vinac or paraloid. Also very nice find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 That’s a really large Enchodus lateral jaw section. Most are ~2 inch frags. To remove the formation just use a pick of some sort, and be patient with it. 1 “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawdogGRNJ Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 Thanks Haravex, my apologies for the internet slang. By "sub" I mean forum sub-group or thread. Appreciate the advice on the preservation coatings. Thanks too Mr. Leeds ;-) I'll update with pictures once I get it done....which will take awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Yup looks like Enchodus. very nice piece. From that last photo the bone looks a bit flaky, which is kinda typical for some fish bones. Be careful when prepping around areas that look fragile as parts of the bone may chip off. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, The Jersey Devil said: That’s a really large Enchodus lateral jaw section. Most are ~2 inch frags. To remove the formation just use a pick of some sort, and be patient with it. Whoaaa I missed that part! 5 inches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, frankh8147 said: Whoaaa I missed that part! 5 inches?? Yeah, it must’ve come from a big fishy. Please show us how it looks like after you’ve cleaned it. @LawdogGRNJ “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Maybe Xiphactinus? Definitely looks like fish to me. @Carl @Xiphactinus @Ramo @Ptychodus04 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Maybe Xiphactinus? Definitely looks like fish to me. @Carl @Xiphactinus @Ramo @Ptychodus04 It’s definitely not Xiphactinus as that would have tooth sockets, while Enchodus attaches directly to the jaw. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Agree. Not Xiphactinus. But a big fish for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I'm still pretty sold on Enchodus. It matches a lot of the jaw sections I have found in the same area (although the size would be problematic)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Definitely not Xiphactinus. I would say Pachyrhizodus caninus rather than Enchodus sp. due to the size. As for the prep, a bit of time with a dental pick would do well on this I think. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I’m actually completely sure this is Enchodus. The shape of the teeth and also the well-pronounced striations on a single side of the largest tooth indicate Enchodus. 2 “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Jersey Devil said: I’m actually completely sure this is Enchodus. The shape of the teeth and also the well-pronounced striations on a single side of the largest tooth indicate Enchodus. Fair enough. I just went into my study and looked at the jaws of a P. caninus that I have and they are quite different than this. I’m in the Enchodus camp now as well. 1 Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 10:44 PM, The Jersey Devil said: I’m actually completely sure this is Enchodus. The shape of the teeth and also the well-pronounced striations on a single side of the largest tooth indicate Enchodus. I absolutely agree with you but if that size is correct, I think this needs to be shown to the museum.. we would be talking about a rediculously sized fish... @LawdogGRNJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, frankh8147 said: I absolutely agree with you but if that size is correct, I think this needs to be shown to the museum.. we would be talking about a rediculously sized fish... @LawdogGRNJ I would like to see it next to a ruler, but even if it is 5” it might still be plausible. Enchodus is simply fragmentary here and this could just be more complete (at the same time as coming from a larger individual). “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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