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2 hours ago, Ben&Jess said:

Appears to be a very old tooth. Seems worn down??

Hi There,

 

Gonna trot this out since it seems I am the local expert ?  .. haha .. but seriously quite common around Summerville and Charleston SC areas. @caldigger save these images ok, so when I'm not around you can post them.

 

Generally these come from an extinct genus of Billfish.  Most common is the Aglyptorhynchus sp. from the Oligocene, Chandler Bridge fm.  A vert process (spine) from the Haemal or Caudal vertebra. I've included a tuna also because occasionally they can come from a large tuna as well.

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A great shot of a Haemal Spine from the Billfish Aglyptorhynchus Oligocene Chandler Bridge fm.

 

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A tuna for comparison ............

 

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Cheers,

Brett

 

 

 

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Bingo Brett.

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Thanks gents. And thanks for the diagrams. So it’s safe to say this claw core connectes to the vert?!? Am I looking at that correctly. Because we have been finding quite a few verts in the same area. I put one of them next to the claw core in a pic attached 

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On 9/30/2019 at 12:50 AM, Brett Breakin' Rocks said:

Generally these come from an extinct genus of Billfish.  Most common is the Aglyptorhynchus sp. from the Oligocene, Chandler Bridge fm.  A vert process (spine) from the Haemal or Caudal vertebra. I've included a tuna also because occasionally they can come from a large tuna as well.

 

Brett,

Fantastic photos.. You are the expert and I found out at least 3 things I did not know from this post.  Thanks. I will make copies of your photos.

I recently found the 3rd or 4th Hyplural  of my fossil hunting career.  I wonder why so rare in the Peace River formation.

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13 hours ago, Ben&Jess said:

Because we have been finding quite a few verts in the same area.

Hi There,

 

If we could see the profile view .. I suspect what you have is a shark centrum (or shark vert -vertebra- you will hear more often).  Two different animals so to speak.

 

The spine (top) is from a bony fish ... the centrum (bottom) from a cartilaginous shark.

 

Cheers,

Brett

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13 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

 

Brett,

Fantastic photos.. You are the expert and I found out at least 3 things I did not know from this post.  Thanks. I will make copies of your photos.

I recently found the 3rd or 4th Hyplural  of my fossil hunting career.  I wonder why so rare in the Peace River formation.

 

 

historical depth of water too shallow?  Most billfish like deeper water, esp the big ones

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13 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

I wonder why so rare in the Peace River formation.

I'm not sure either .. (?) up in Charleston the formation was Late Oligocene and I read somewhere in a paper that it was a shallow marine environment at approx 40-200m depth.  A better environment for large bony fish I suspect ... the billfish could get HUGE.  I think @hemipristis mentioned as much concerning depth.

 

Here is a vert from a Xiphiorhynchus rotundus an extinct billfish from the Oligocene.  5.5 inches long 4 inches wide.

 

Image Credit: Brian Anderson - Facebook

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Image Credit: Mark Bunce - Facebook

 

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32 minutes ago, hemipristis said:

historical depth of water too shallow?  Most billfish like deeper water, esp the big ones

 

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