Seeking information about Permian sharks

[fossilsonwheels]

I am seeking some information and advice from the shark experts and enthusiasts on TFF. I have been quietly looking into expanding the Permian shark material we have for education programs. Currently we have some cool Orthacanthus teeth, a partial Orthacanthus spine, and a Helodus tooth from Oklahoma. I also attempted to add some marine shark stuff to the freshwater stuff. We got some micro fossils from Kansas but that proved to be thin on shark fossils. A partial tooth and a few denticles that are too small to have much impact on the kids we teach was all we got out of that. 

 

Given the enormous impact the Great Dying had on marine ecosystems I know it is going to be tough to add material. This does work in our favor as the gap in shark material does provide a visual for the kids as they can literally see there is just way less material in our programs from that point. That is not a bad thing but I believe that we should be able to track at least one, maybe two marine species from the Permian. As I have started searching I have found absolutely nothing except the freshwater stuff from Texas and Oklahoma. Zilch, zero, nothing, nada. I expected it to be difficult but not impossible.  I could not even find any posts on the forum about Permian shark fossils so I am pretty much flying blind. I found little research on it too but still I have it in my head that I can track something down. I thought creating a post about it might shed some light on this for me as it has with other topics.

 

Is it even possible to find marine shark fossils from the Permian on the market? I would image most of what is found ends up being studied.

I know the Oceans of Kansas website has some reference material about Kansas sharks but has anybody ever seen material on the market ?

Is looking across the pond toward Europe a possible road to go? I have had excellent success with Jurassic shark stuff from Europe so it occurred to me that maybe there are Permian teeth out there as well.

Are there freshwater sharks outside of the few we have that may be an option?

 

 

Basically if you know anything about Permian shark fossils, please feel free to give us your opinions. One of the best parts of being on the forum is getting to pick the brains of the very knowledgeable people here so all comments are invited.  Thank you in advance for any and all help

 

 

 

[Troodon]

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[fossilsonwheels]

28 minutes ago, Troodon said:

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You know Frank I actually came across this post last week while searching for images of Ctenacanthus teeth. I didn’t connect that it was Permian. Beautiful teeth you posted. I have a guy in Estonia that I have gotten a few Russian shark teeth from so I’ll ask if he might have any. I picked up a few nice items from him so maybe that is my best route. 

[siteseer]

Hi Kurt,

 

I talked about Permian fossils in general in another topic and it applies here.  A lot of Permian fossils on the market are Early Permian.  It's tough finding anything that is Middle-Late Permian and a lot of that is found in Russia and China.  

 

You can get Early Permian fish from a site in Germany but they are whole body fossils and can be expensive.  I've seen a few xenacanth sharks from there.

 

Jess

[Troodon]

Here are a few permian teeth from different localities

 

 

 

 

Petalodus ohioensis from the Harperville Fm in Texas, Coleman County

 

 

[fossilsonwheels]

2 hours ago, siteseer said:

Hi Kurt,

 

I talked about Permian fossils in general in another topic and it applies here.  A lot of Permian fossils on the market are Early Permian.  It's tough finding anything that is Middle-Late Permian and a lot of that is found in Russia and China.  

 

You can get Early Permian fish from a site in Germany but they are whole body fossils and can be expensive.  I've seen a few xenacanth sharks from there.

 

Jess

Hi Jess

 

I really have not seen a lot out there but what I have seen echoes exactly what you are saying. We did luck out and got a gorgeous Ctenacanthus tooth from @Troodon and I did find a nice Xenacanthus from Germany that I may try and pick up, probably from the same formation you are talking about. 

 

I think over the course of time, I can add some more stuff but I just have to be patient. I will track down a few more I am sure. Thank you for the input as always. I hope all is well in your world !

 

Kurt

[fossilsonwheels]

19 minutes ago, Troodon said:

Here are a few permian teeth from different localities

 

 

 

 

Petalodus ohioensis from the Harperville Fm in Texas, Coleman County

 

 

My word Frank those are stunning shark teeth ! Those Brazilian Xenacanthids are awesome and the Russian Campodus teeth are so cool. I hope you find the time at some point to do a Jurassic Park style series of posts on your shark collection. These are all fantastic. Thank you for sharing and letting us drool a little lol