sharkdoctor Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 TFF'ers, I need a bit of help identifying some material from the Old Church Formation from Virginia. I have the famous Muller (1999) reference and the more recent Ciccimuri & Knight paper (2009) regarding sharks and rays from the Chandler Bride formation. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any other papers or references that cover sharks/rays/fishes from the the Old Church or its equivalent formations on the mid-Atlantic coast (Belgrade or Chandler Bridge formations)? -Aaron @MarcoSr @Metopocetus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 The Elasmo website has teeth of the Belgrade Formation. It is listed under the Faunas tab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 The Old Church formation is rather under-researched. If anyone knows of some papers on the chandler bridge fish fauna, it’s @Boesse. You might also ask Dr. Weems, if memory serves he published something which included old church FM turtles a few years back. If he isnt familiar with the shark fauna himself, he can probably at least direct you towards someone who has. Vicksburg Group is also roughly contemporary. 1 “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Al Dente said: The Elasmo website has teeth of the Belgrade Formation. It is listed under the Faunas tab. Thanks, @Al Dente. In looking through the page, it is a valuable resource, but is notably limited to the larger sharks. Just in case anybody else has this need in the future, I am specifying the sources I have to date and will add any others I come across or that are suggested here. 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 hours ago, WhodamanHD said: The Old Church formation is rather under-researched. If anyone knows of some papers on the chandler bridge fish fauna, it’s @Boesse. You might also ask Dr. Weems, if memory serves he published something which included old church FM turtles a few years back. If he isnt familiar with the shark fauna himself, he can probably at least direct you towards someone who has. Vicksburg Group is also roughly contemporary. Thanks, @WhodamanHD. I've worked with Rob on Old Church material in the past. Didn't think of him, but will send him a note today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Aaron The only other reference that I'm aware of with a number of Belgrade Formation and a couple of Chandler Bridge Formation species is Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young which can be purchased at the below link. The CD for $17 is definitely worth the money. https://ncfossilclub.org/publications/ Marco Sr. 2 "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Have you found any Galeocerdo mayumbensis from the Old Church Formation? I would be interested in seeing them if you have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Thanks, Marco! I'll add to the list and pick it up pronto! References for Oligocene sharks and rays of the Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain: 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com 4. Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 @Al Dente I'll get back to you on that. I am just now digging into ID'ing finds that have been accumulating for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 1:41 PM, sharkdoctor said: TFF'ers, I need a bit of help identifying some material from the Old Church Formation from Virginia. I have the famous Muller (1999) reference and the more recent Ciccimuri & Knight paper (2009) regarding sharks and rays from the Chandler Bride formation. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any other papers or references that cover sharks/rays/fishes from the the Old Church or its equivalent formations on the mid-Atlantic coast (Belgrade or Chandler Bridge formations)? -Aaron @MarcoSr @Metopocetus Aaron, This publication covers a fauna from the Early Oligocene of Germany but I've found it very helpful with Oligocene-Early Miocene teeth from anywhere. Jess Reinecke T., H. Stapf. & M. Raisch, 2001. Die Selachier und Chimären des unteren Meeressandes und Schleichsandes im Mainzer Becken (Alzey- und Stadecken Formation, Rupelium, Unteres Oligozän). Palaeontos 1. 1-73. Palaeo Publishing and Library vzw. Antwerp. Translation: Sharks and Chimaeras from the Lower Meeressandes and Schleichsandes in the Mainz Basin (Alzey and Stadecken Formation, Rupelian, lower Oligocene). Quote Options 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Thanks @siteseer!! For some reason I am just now seeing this post! Adding yours to the list... References for Oligocene sharks and rays of the Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain: 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com 4. Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young 5. Reinecke T., H. Stapf. & M. Raisch, 2001. Die Selachier und Chimären des unteren Meeressandes und Schleichsandes im Mainzer Becken (Alzey- und Stadecken Formation, Rupelium, Unteres Oligozän). Palaeontos 1. 1-73. Palaeo Publishing and Library vzw. Antwerp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Hey all - to my knowledge there are no existing publications on Old Church Formation vertebrates, though I have been invited to work with Dr. Weems on a paper on the cetaceans (the late Al Sanders is also a coauthor). Also to my knowledge I don't think there is a Chandler Bridge page on elasmo.com. Cicimurri and Knight is an excellent starting point, and there are many papers on Oligocene ichthyofaunas from Germany that may be useful. I am, however, extremely skeptical of papers on supposed Oligocene specimens from South Carolina published by European researchers who purchased the specimens, since most of those teeth for sale are collected from streams and are not in situ - which is why I've busted my A by collecting in situ specimens from the Ashley and Chandler Bridge over the past couple of years. Any papers published on creek material very likely could include Miocene or Pliocene specimens since all are reworked/ex situ. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 12/10/2019 at 11:36 AM, sharkdoctor said: Thanks @siteseer!! For some reason I am just now seeing this post! Adding yours to the list... References for Oligocene sharks and rays of the Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain: 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com 4. Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young 5. Reinecke T., H. Stapf. & M. Raisch, 2001. Die Selachier und Chimären des unteren Meeressandes und Schleichsandes im Mainzer Becken (Alzey- und Stadecken Formation, Rupelium, Unteres Oligozän). Palaeontos 1. 1-73. Palaeo Publishing and Library vzw. Antwerp. There is also some discussion of and reference to specimens from the Old Church in Bretton Kent's "Fossil Sharks of the Chesapeake Bay Region." I thought there might some discussion in Maurice Leriche's 1942 French language review of chondrichthyan remains from the Altlantic Coastal Plain and central United States but I didn't see any when I went through it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 12 hours ago, siteseer said: There is also some discussion of and reference to specimens from the Old Church in Bretton Kent's "Fossil Sharks of the Chesapeake Bay Region." I thought there might some discussion in Maurice Leriche's 1942 French language review of chondrichthyan remains from the Altlantic Coastal Plain and central United States but I didn't see any when I went through it. Thanks, @siteseer! Updated list is below: References for Oligocene sharks and rays of the Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain: 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com 4. Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young 5. Reinecke T., H. Stapf. & M. Raisch, 2001. Die Selachier und Chimären des unteren Meeressandes und Schleichsandes im Mainzer Becken (Alzey- und Stadecken Formation, Rupelium, Unteres Oligozän). Palaeontos 1. 1-73. Palaeo Publishing and Library vzw. Antwerp. 6. Kent, B. W. (1994). Fossil sharks of the Chesapeake Bay Region. Columbia, Md: Egan Rees & Boyer, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 hours ago, sharkdoctor said: 3. Chandler Bridge faunal page of www.elasmo.com I think you mean Belgrade faunal page of www.elasmo.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkdoctor Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Al Dente said: I think you mean Belgrade faunal page of www.elasmo.com. Yep. Thanks for the catch. Updated list is below: References for Oligocene sharks and rays of the Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain: 1. Müller, A. (1999). Ichthyofaunen aus dem atlantischen Tertiär der USA. Institut für Geophysik und Geologie. 2. Cicimurri, D. J., & Knight, J. L. (2009). Late Oligocene sharks and rays from the Chandler Bridge Formation, Dorchester County, South Carolina, USA. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 54(4), 627-648. 3. Belgrade Formation faunal page of www.elasmo.com 4. Fossil Fish - Volume III of IV (2015) Richard Chandler & Pat Young 5. Reinecke T., H. Stapf. & M. Raisch, 2001. Die Selachier und Chimären des unteren Meeressandes und Schleichsandes im Mainzer Becken (Alzey- und Stadecken Formation, Rupelium, Unteres Oligozän). Palaeontos 1. 1-73. Palaeo Publishing and Library vzw. Antwerp. 6. Kent, B. W. (1994). Fossil sharks of the Chesapeake Bay Region. Columbia, Md: Egan Rees & Boyer, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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