A Mammal Tooth and Vertebra

[Rock Hound]

I purchased these in person.  The tooth was represented as being a Bison Tooth, found in the Kansas River.

 

The vertebra was represented as being a Whale Vertebra, and i forgot to ask for the location?  I thought that at the very least, it was some type of Cetacean Vertebra?

 

 

[rocket]

nice ones!

When I compare the vertebrae with some we have from whales and dolfins it looks similar

Do you know if it was found in the US? They often looks so similar from different countries and localities, often impossible to decide

[Shellseeker]

8 hours ago, Rock Hound said:

I purchased these in person.  The tooth was represented as being a Bison Tooth, found in the Kansas River.

 

The vertebra was represented as being a Whale Vertebra, and i forgot to ask for the location?  I thought that at the very least, it was some type of Cetacean Vertebra?

I agree on Cetacean for the Vertebra, but with a 40 mm Centrum,  I would lean toward a medium sized dolphin.. 

 

On the tooth,  it might be Bison, Cow, Camel, Antelope,  The critical photo is one looking down on the chewing surface...  This one is Llama and the length is 29 mm, cow would be a little bigger,  Bison possibly a lot bigger.

[Rock Hound]

7 hours ago, rocket said:

nice ones!

When I compare the vertebrae with some we have from whales and dolfins it looks similar

Do you know if it was found in the US? They often looks so similar from different countries and localities, often impossible to decide

@rocketWhat happened; is that I looked at a lot of fossils, and I asked a lot of questions about them.  But then, after I had already left; I realized my mistake....  Unfortunately; this wasn't a fossil shop i could just call and ask,, and there wasn't documentation which accompanied the fossils.

Edited September 3 by Rock Hound

[Rock Hound]

1 hour ago, Shellseeker said:

I agree on Cetacean for the Vertebra, but with a 40 mm Centrum,  I would lean toward a medium sized dolphin.. 

 

On the tooth,  it might be Bison, Cow, Camel, Antelope,  The critical photo is one looking down on the chewing surface...  This one is Llama and the length is 29 mm, cow would be a little bigger,  Bison possibly a lot bigger.

@ShellseekerThank you, for your input.  An attempt, at a photo of the chewing surface:

 

 

[Rock Hound]

The membership on this forum, is very generous; when it comes to helping people.

 

Thanks to all!!!

[Shellseeker]

8 hours ago, Rock Hound said:

The membership on this forum, is very generous; when it comes to helping people.

 

Thanks to all!!!

I am confused by your tooth... It seems to have a chewing surface length of approximately 40 mm,  but lacks a Stylid ans is not robust.  This is a Bison Tooth that is robust,  has a stylid (the brown bump in the center) measures 37.5 mm and comes from the Diamond Lakes Valley in California...  Almost all Bison teeth have stylids,  many cow teeth do not...

 

 

Without a stylid AND lacking robustness,  I am forced to conclude that your tooth is likely cow.

[Rock Hound]

5 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

I am confused by your tooth... It seems to have a chewing surface length of approximately 40 mm,  but lacks a Stylid ans is not robust.  This is a Bison Tooth that is robust,  has a stylid (the brown bump in the center) measures 37.5 mm and comes from the Diamond Lakes Valley in California...  Almost all Bison teeth have stylids,  many cow teeth do not...

 

 

Without a stylid AND lacking robustness,  I am forced to conclude that your tooth is likely cow.

Hmm....  Ok.  If that IS the case, how old could a cow tooth possibly be; from the Kansas River region?  What was the earliest appearance of cows, in that area of the United States?  Another path to explore, I suppose? 

 

They arrived in the United States, at the Plymouth Colony in 1624; so nearly 400 years ago. 

 

From 1856 to 1896, 27 million cattle were driven from Texas to Kansas.

Edited September 4 by Rock Hound

[Shellseeker]

I have been told that it takes 10000 years to create a fossil tooth. 

 

I am not sure what you tooth IS.  I do not believe it is Bison,

Can we eliminate cow ? I made photos of cow teeth I found today.. Look at this thread. Which cow tooth is your tooth most similar? 

Can we eliminate Antelope ?  which have no Stylid and could have fossil teeth in Kansas....

There is a nice photo of the lower teeth of a Pronghorn... Here

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2219060120?doi=10.1073%2Fpnas.2219060120

[Rock Hound]

On 9/4/2023 at 9:19 PM, Shellseeker said:

I have been told that it takes 10000 years to create a fossil tooth. 

 

I am not sure what you tooth IS.  I do not believe it is Bison,

Can we eliminate cow ? I made photos of cow teeth I found today.. Look at this thread. Which cow tooth is your tooth most similar? 

Can we eliminate Antelope ?  which have no Stylid and could have fossil teeth in Kansas....

There is a nice photo of the lower teeth of a Pronghorn... Here

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2219060120?doi=10.1073%2Fpnas.2219060120

 

I was able to view the antelope photos; but I was unable to view the cow photos from your Florida fossil hunt thread, on my cheap android phone. 

 

I find it interesting that there is a general lack of tip wear present, on this tooth I have; which I was told was found at the Kansas River.  The seller claimed they found it themselves.  They were representing it, as being a Bison tooth; but I am aware that means very little.  About all I am certain of, is that it belonged to an herbivorous mammal.

[Shellseeker]

3 hours ago, Rock Hound said:

 

I was able to view the antelope photos; but I was unable to view the cow photos from your Florida fossil hunt thread, on my cheap android phone. 

 

I find it interesting that there is a general lack of tip wear present, on this tooth I have; which I was told was found at the Kansas River.  The seller claimed they found it themselves.  They were representing it, as being a Bison tooth; but I am aware that means very little.  About all I am certain of, is that it belonged to an herbivorous mammal.

sorry, the photos I added were “lost” during the last 5 days down period. the seller may have found your tooth but did not have the experience or skills to correctly identify it.

[fossilus]

The tooth looks almost surely like camelops. No stylid, approximately the right size and not rare at least west of the Mississippi River.

[fossilus]

Below is a photo of one of my camelops lowers. Beside the lack of stylid, camelops teeth narrow from the crown to the root.

[Rock Hound]

11 hours ago, fossilus said:

The tooth looks almost surely like camelops. No stylid, approximately the right size and not rare at least west of the Mississippi River.

Thank you for providing additional input.  I see what mean, about the narrowing from the tip to the root.  I hadn't considered camelops?