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Steph67

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Hi,

 

Any help identifying these please?

 

1st one :

 

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Top view :

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2nd one (crinoïd? with stem?) :

 

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3rd one (almost certain these are bones - Nothosaurus?) :

 

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To me, the first one looks like an orthocerid nautiloid with parts of some septa showing and the lumpy bit in the middle being the infilled siphuncle. 

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Nautiloid, yep, but I think it is not an orthocone, in Muschelkalk we sometimes find huge nautiloides like "Germanonautilus"

I would assume this belongs to this genus

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Mmmh, yes the shape is very similar, excepted the segments accross, perendicular. and I have searched the period of a orthocerida nautiloid and it seems it is very earlyer (-490 M), here we are between 200 and 250 M).

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7 minutes ago, rocket said:

Nautiloid, yep, but I think it is not an orthocone, in Muschelkalk we sometimes find huge nautiloides like "Germanonautilus"

I would assume this belongs to this genus

Yes, we found several Germanonautilus in the area. But this part could be what part of it? I can't see the localisation on the animal...

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9 minutes ago, Steph67 said:

Mmmh, yes the shape is very similar, excepted the segments accross, perendicular. and I have searched the period of a orthocerida nautiloid and it seems it is very earlyer (-490 M), here we are between 200 and 250 M).

No, this is incorrect.

The Orthocerida survived into the Triassic with a few genera such as Michelinoceras. 

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1 minute ago, Tidgy's Dad said:

No, this is incorrect.

The Orthocerida survived into the Triassic with a few genera such as Michelinoceras. 

Ok! In the area we don't find any rostris... I suppose if it was one, we could find rostris?

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15 hours ago, Steph67 said:

Yes, we found several Germanonautilus in the area. But this part could be what part of it? I can't see the localisation on the animal...

 

what you see are some chambers with the sipho from ventral, hard eroded

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