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Found a good thread by @tracer on bos vs bison metatarsal Below are a couple I have that I would like to get an opinion on. Per the thread above I have my guesses but the smaller diameter is making me wonder if I have the right species or if it’s an age issue. Thank you
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Hello. A quick introduction. I have been walking the kaw for decades and have amassed a collection of artifacts and bones. What I have not amassed is the ID skills, especially between bison and cow. There are hints in the area I hunt that at one time, long ago, a butchery that either has eroded off the bank or they discarded items into the river. Guessing it was near Grantville, Kansas. So it can be a bit confusing for me between that and how the river deposits in general can age at different rates depending on where they’ve been hiding out. I really look forward to getting to know the items I have and some of you! My goal is to start pairing down my collection. I want to be accurate and honest about what I am presenting and not just going on Google guessing. Thanks for any help and if there are things I can do to improve my postings in the future please feel free to push this newb around and set me straight. Thank you. and now, the first bone. Am I correct in thinking this is a tibia? Is there a sure way to know if it’s bison or cow?
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Greetings I am a Geologist who works in Northern Alberta and B.C., and I have been finding some great Pleistocene Horse and Bison bones in river gravels. My bones were looked at and samples sent for Carbon dating through the provincial Museum and a Professor buddy of mine. The Horse bones were 22-25k years old and the Bison bone was 44k years old. They paid for the analyses and I am donating them to the Museum. All were found within a couple kilometers on the same river. I found these two this year. They were very close to where I found the Horse bones. Does anyone have any idea what animal they came from? (Can't get a hold of my buddy at the moment). The lower bone shows more wear from the gravels. Any Help would be appreciated. Best Regards Rob
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Thoughts on this stout metacarpal? Southern Minnesota gravel/river find. I only ask because farmers have run their cattle on the river in this area since I was a young man. This looks like bison to me though based on the proximal end and how stout it is.
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I'm trying to help someone ID some vertebrae they found recently. They were found in east London, around 4 meters underground in black sticky soil. My first thought was that they looked similar to dolphin vertebrae, and my knowledge of stuff like that isn't great, so any help would be much appreciated! (Actually, I've just realised they're probably from a bison or something similar - I haven't a clue when it comes to mammal verts. The black preservation seems odd though.)
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Yesterday I made one last trip to the Peace River to end this hunting season. When I checked the depth and flow gauges it showed both had increased as a result of recent rain but not enough to make a trip unsafe. The one caveat was the prediction of rain and possible thunder storms in my target area by 2 pm. It is really the threat of afternoon thunder storms almost everyday now that is the impetus to end the season. So, I got an early start and was on the river by 7:40 am with the intention of calling it a day by 2 pm. I headed back to the spot I have been digging in for the last four trips. I have been widening my search area as the gravel continues to be plentiful under an initial layer of sand. On arrival the first sifter turned up what appeared to be a good sized, if somewhat deformed, molar that I guessed to be bison. The next sifter also produced what I thought was a possible broken bison tooth (later I was able too see it was a broken horse tooth). This got me excited to think I already had a couple of nice finds to end the season. As I kept digging, pulling up small shark teeth of every variety in each load I became aware of the dark clouds that were continuously sliding by overhead. I pulled up a partial dolphin bulla, turtle scute and complete turtle entoplastron along with a bone that looked to me to be some kind of scapula. At one point a large black cloud rolled in and it rained for about 20 minutes. I didn't worry it would last as I could see blue skies in all directions beyond the storm cloud overhead. Just before noon I threw a shovel full of sand and gravel into the sifter and as the sand fell away there sat a beautiful and complete dolphin tooth. One of the largest I have found! I went to secure it in my kayak right away when I noticed that the dark clouds were no longer sliding by - they seemed to be filling the sky. I decided at that point that if I came up with one more good find I would call it a day. I didn't want to get caught in a thunderstorm on the river. I kept digging for almost an hour and did not come up with that trip worthy find. Looking at the sky I told myself one more load in the sifter and no matter what I did or didn't find I had better head for home. As soon as I dumped the next shovel full of gravel into the sifter I started to laugh as sitting right on top was a very nice astragalus! Deer based on the size. I scooped it up along with the misc shark teeth around it and loaded up the kayak for may paddle back to the car. Just as I pushed off the shore the sky opened up and the rain started pouring down! Thankfully there was no lightening! So the season came to an appropriate end with some nice finds as the rainy season begins. I may try some creek hunting over the summer but the Peace River will have to wait forSeptember at least. Here is a shot of the nicest specimens found yesterday: The astragalus measures 37 mm long x 23 mm wide x 2 mm tall The dolphin tooth measures 31 mm long x 12 mm wide The crown of the suspected bison tooth is 12 mm x 20 mm and 10mm high. I am going to post more photos of the possible bison tooth in the id section along with what I think is some type of scapula to hopefully get a positive id. Good Luck to all those still hunting - I will admit the story of the guy attacked by the alligator in the Myakka River may have also influenced my decision to end the season -LOL!
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My collection of teeth I have tried to ID and want to see if I got any of them right, all came from creek that is QAL. First group I think is bovid, maybe little one on end deer? Next 2 teeth I'm not sure about, last group thinking might be bison. Wasn't sure if pictures of root end are needed.
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Purchased together as one lot a long time ago from online auction, was also sold as unknown bones. If you need a better photo of anything let me know. I did the repair as well with hydrocal as it was broken. Zero smell with burn test on both. Curious if someone could share opinoin ?
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I didn't have much luck trying to ID a group of bones so thought I would try just one and maybe I can figure the rest out. It's from a creek that's all QAL not far from Trinity river. Passed the burn test, it's worn so makes it even harder for me, leaning toward bison. Would appreciate a definite ID!
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Went hunting with my Son. That in itself made it a great day. We have grown closer as we age and the separation over the last year has only made our time together more enjoyable. For most of the day, we had the numerous and excellent finds that the Peace River hunts famous. Things picked up in the last hour. Large Tooth: Clearly an upper, could be M1, or M2 or M3. The table below has measurements for a M1 and M2, but not M3. This find 35.1 mm, 22.6 mm, and 67.1 mm respectively, so I thought "maybe" the M2. I also found this photo on the Internet: That tells me that this is the "left" maxilla, and just looking at the "shape" pattern (above and below photos), it is either M2 or M3. So, I am looking for error in my thinking. and most of all I am looking for TFF Bison experts to tell me whether it is a M2 or a M3 and why.... so I'll go after the usual Bison expertise suspects. @Harry Pristis @Brett Breakin' Rocks @garyc @digit @Thomas.Dodson Please add others you think of , Jack
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Found this in the bottom of a river bank the other day and was wondering what it was. It was buried pretty deep in the bank, but the river has moved a lot in the past decade and had been grazed by cattle since the 1930s. Watonwan River. Cottonwood County, Minnesota
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I found this tooth on the Brazos River in SE Texas today. It looks like a Bison p1 to me and is similar to one I found last year. This one is much larger leading me to question whether it is indeed bison
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Hey everyone, Staying on some private property with a river in central Colorado. While walking the creeks looking for anything of interest, I came across this. I am not familiar with the horned creatures! Is this bull? Buffalo? Bison? Antiquus? I don’t know, any information would be much appreciated. My wife wanted to get a picture and then looked a little peeved when I said, “Why? I’m taking it home.” Lol Sorry for the pics, don’t have anything to scale. Lemme know what you think. I can post better pics tomorrow. i thought it was driftwood at first, had that exact consistency and texture. -J
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Hello, I posted this before, but my thread was too disjointed for comfort so I am posting again. I found this bone end (I think it is a tibia) with some other ice age bits and ends and have no idea what it came from. Im pretty sure it is not bovid, from what I am familiar with. Anything could help, and this was found on a riverbed in NE Kansas.
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Interesting mammal tooth found scanning a Monmouth County NJ stream today. Can anyone help identify? Old or new? Cretaceous stream
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From the album: Some Minnesota ~Fossils
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From the album: Some Minnesota ~Fossils
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From the album: Some Minnesota ~Fossils