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Hi all, this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes. I found this Specimen in the Canyon Lake area if Central Texas. I haven't tried to remove too much of the limestone until I knew more about what this might be. 

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Rockwood
5 hours ago, Microbiobugs said:

I haven't tried to remove too much of the limestone until I knew more about what this might be. 

What exactly makes you think there is a fossil in there ? I don't see it.

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Fossildude19
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Unfortunately, I cannot see enough detail in this image to identify any fossil material.  Maybe further scrubbing with a toothbrush can show something.  

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You might as well prep it further because right now I only see an oddly suggestive shape and nothing else.

 

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Microbiobugs
4 hours ago, Rockwood said:

What exactly makes you think there is a fossil in there ? I don't see it.

It has the rough outline of a tooth covered in limestone, no need to be rude. I'm learning 

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yardrockpaleo
5 hours ago, Microbiobugs said:

It has the rough outline of a tooth covered in limestone, no need to be rude. I'm learning 

@Rockwood is not trying to be rude, he is simply trying to test whether your theory has any holes or whether his suspicions are wrong. 

 

The Scientific method:

 

  • Step 1- Question.
  • Step 2-Research. (Research means trying to develop opinions/theories and test them. Being open to all possibilities is important, even if it proves against your original thought.)
  • Step 3-Hypothesis.
  • Step 4-Experiment.
  • Step 5-Observations.
  • Step 6-Results/Conclusion.
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Microbiobugs

As a medical professional and microbiology student I'm well aware of the scientific method. The way he worded his question was rude and I'm allowed to express that. Your interference was not warranted. 

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DPS Ammonite
1 hour ago, Microbiobugs said:

It has the rough outline of a tooth covered in limestone, no need to be rude. I'm learning 

I would have picked up the piece for further investigation. The next step is to look for textures that resemble a tooth. Do you have a hand lens to use? What do you see? The hard part is getting a photo that shows the details visible to the human eye. I like to take up close photos using a hand lens in front of my phone’s camera lens.
 

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Rockwood
1 hour ago, Microbiobugs said:

no need to be rude.

 

1 hour ago, Microbiobugs said:

Your interference was not warranted. 

I'm somewhere on the autistic spectrum in my understanding of such things. Would you mind explaining these statements ?

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Tone and intention do not commonly carry very well in written communication. It may be best for everyone to adopt the principle of charity in discourse, chalk this up to misunderstanding endemic to this communication milieu, and move forward. ;) 

 

As previously stated, perhaps a bit a more gentle matrix removal (with a toothbrush) might reveal a diagnostic feature. So far, I am not seeing any enamel, but there is certainly a tooth-like shape to the object.

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11 minutes ago, Kane said:

Tone and intention do not commonly carry very well in written communication. It may be best for everyone to adopt the principle of charity in discourse, chalk this up to misunderstanding endemic to this communication milieu, and move forward. ;) 

 

As previously stated, perhaps a bit a more gentle matrix removal (with a toothbrush) might reveal a diagnostic feature. So far, I am not seeing any enamel, but there is certainly a tooth-like shape to the object.

 

Indeed.

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It does have a symmetry that is kind of suggestive.  As suggested a scrub may show more.

 

One thing to note is that teeth almost always show enamel. That can be a variety of colors but will 99% of the time be smooth and shiny. 

 

Your piece has a vague resemblance to a turtle vertebrae I have from that area.  See photo with some Canyon Lake Glen Rose Formation fish teeth.

 

PS I'm not excusing anyones behavior but the two most common "it ain't a fossil" things we see are tooth-shaped rocks and "eggs".  But they are also two items that folks really want to find.  For some folks it gets old and we forget how exciting it was when we just got started and also picked up everything with a suggestive shape.  Now with that said ALWAYS pick up things you are not sure about, they may truly be something and this is how you/we learn.

 

Welcome to the FF

 

Erich

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Microbiobugs

I will clean it a little more when I have time.  I was thinking vertebra or tooth was a slight possibility when I had found it. I'm out of vinegar but I can see some faint circles, almost like what's on the crab carapace I found at that site. I might just hang on to this and give bring it to the next feild trip. It's just not photographing well. 

 

 

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When a photograph does not show whatever evidence you are seeing to suggest the presence of a fossil we need some way of conveying that too you. It is a common problem and it seems to me that saying " What exactly makes you think there is a fossil in there ? I don't see it" is a perfectly valid way of conveying that message. Sorry you took it as offensive but you may need to get used to blunt opinions from experienced people just trying to help. We  are science nerds, but not usually trained in psychology ;)

 

Consider the possibility that the specimen is part of a burrow infill. They come in all sizes, often branch like that and are found broken apart into pieces resembling your find. If that is the case any amount of prep will not be harming an important fossil. If it is something else it will be revealed with a little careful matrix removal. If you begin to see something as you go please post pictures of what emerges.

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11 hours ago, Microbiobugs said:

I will clean it a little more when I have time.  I was thinking vertebra or tooth was a slight possibility when I had found it. I'm out of vinegar but I can see some faint circles, almost like what's on the crab carapace I found at that site. I might just hang on to this and give bring it to the next feild trip. It's just not photographing well. 

 

 

Are you a member of PSA?  Bringing it to the next field trip is a great idea.

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abyssunder

Maybe it's a fraction of a Thalassinoides trace fossil (Y or T type node). (first post) :)

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flyingpenut
10 hours ago, BobWill said:

When a photograph does not show whatever evidence you are seeing to suggest the presence of a fossil we need some way of conveying that too you. It is a common problem and it seems to me that saying " What exactly makes you think there is a fossil in there ? I don't see it" is a perfectly valid way of conveying that message. Sorry you took it as offensive but you may need to get used to blunt opinions from experienced people just trying to help. We  are science nerds, but not usually trained in psychology ;)

 

Consider the possibility that the specimen is part of a burrow infill. They come in all sizes, often branch like that and are found broken apart into pieces resembling your find. If that is the case any amount of prep will not be harming an important fossil. If it is something else it will be revealed with a little careful matrix removal. If you begin to see something as you go please post pictures of what emerges.

 

I’m with you Bob. My advice is to not take offense if you are not sure that there was intent. The second piece of advise is, even if there is intent then get over it. I would rather someone be direct and blunt to my face but tell the truth rather than tell me what I want to hear but laugh at me behind my back. 

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minnbuckeye

My uneducated thought when I first saw your find was that it resembled a worn sea robin skull. 

 

 Mike

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