Auspex Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 The collector of microfossils must master a different set of unique challenges: processing, examining, photographing, identifying, storing, and displaying microfossils can be a vastly different undertaking from the other disciplines in paleontology. This sub-forum was established to facilitate ease of sharing and discussing the specialized 'tricks of the trade' used to explore this tiny, fascinating realm. Let's get small! 6 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Awesome, it is about time. Let me be the first to say! How about a Lee Creek rarity to start this sub-forum off. Cetorhinus maximus , Basking Shark Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I love the idea of a micro area. 1 Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) And what about existing threads? My 'Adventures in Microscopy' thread and Mikecable's microphotography thread could potentially be placed here. Edited March 19, 2013 by Missourian 2 Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecable Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Happy! Happy!! Very Happy!!! Thanks. I'll do my best to make the category a winner, Did I Say I'm happy!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Awesome, it is about time. Let me be the first to say! How about a Lee Creek rarity to start this sub-forum off. Cetorhinus maximus , Basking Shark IMG_0315.JPG IMG_0314.JPG Can you give us the size, and any tips on how you collected it (ie: screened/mesh size?, magnified search?...) We've in mind for this to be more of a clearinghouse for technique than a "Show Your" forum. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 And what about existing threads? My 'Adventures in Microscopy' thread and Mikecable's microphotography thread could potentially be placed here. We'll undertake to move them here; just not tonight! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmshoemaker Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'll certainly keep my eye on this one, seems like a lot could be learned from it once it gets up and running.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Great idea. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 A great forum, getting even better. My thanks to mikecable for the pitch and to Auspex for the catch! Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 A great forum, getting even better. My thanks to mikecable for the pitch and to Auspex for the catch! I second that! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 A foram (etc.) forum - sounds good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA Fossil Finder Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Now we need a microfossil of the month. 1 Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Now we need a microfossil of the month. If it doesn't fit in vertebrate, invertebrate, or plant, the award is a foregone conclusion! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmshoemaker Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 My chemistry teacher said he'd be willing to help me break down some new albany shale with some of the school's acids.. What should I do after it's dissolved, go straight to sieving? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecable Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 My chemistry teacher said he'd be willing to help me break down some new albany shale with some of the school's acids.. What should I do after it's dissolved, go straight to sieving?I don't know much. But I would carefully decant and pour off any suspended solids--not likely to be fossils. Then I would dry the material thoroughly. I have spread it like icing on parchment paper on a cookie tray, and cooked it at 200 F for an hour or so. Then I sieve it. Depending on what you are looking for you might go down all the way to less than 50 microns, but if you are new to this I'd say don't go much past 500--250 microns. This would be basically a #30 to a #60 US Standard Sieve. While you might be able to snag a photo of something smaller, trying to actually collect and mount something that small verges on landing back on the balance beam after a triple squiggly quadruple double backtwist with a corkscrew. What sieves do you have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think this is a great idea too! I've only ever used the slow and tedious hand sort method. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmshoemaker Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I don't know much. But I would carefully decant and pour off any suspended solids--not likely to be fossils. Then I would dry the material thoroughly. I have spread it like icing on parchment paper on a cookie tray, and cooked it at 200 F for an hour or so. Then I sieve it. Depending on what you are looking for you might go down all the way to less than 50 microns, but if you are new to this I'd say don't go much past 500--250 microns. This would be basically a #30 to a #60 US Standard Sieve. While you might be able to snag a photo of something smaller, trying to actually collect and mount something that small verges on landing back on the balance beam after a triple squiggly quadruple double backtwist with a corkscrew. What sieves do you have? Thanks, the only size sieve I have is a size 120. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecable Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Thanks, the only size sieve I have is a size 120.A 120 will capture everything above 0.125 mm or 125 microns. That's almost everything. If it were me I'd separate out the larger stuff with an improvised sieve--a kitchen sieve or something made from window screening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmshoemaker Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 A 120 will capture everything above 0.125 mm or 125 microns. That's almost everything. If it were me I'd separate out the larger stuff with an improvised sieve--a kitchen sieve or something made from window screening. By "larger stuff" do you mean micros, or just large-ish chunks of rock that may have not broken down all the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sorting by size is a good first step; breaking any tedious task into bite-sized pieces can preserve your ability to concentrate for when it really matters "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecable Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 By "larger stuff" do you mean micros, or just large-ish chunks of rock that may have not broken down all the way?I was thinking larger micros, but I just did some research on Albany Shale--conodonts and plant spores seem to be the predominant microfossils. The 120 sieve should be a good size for capturing almost all of the conodonts. Plant spores may pass through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmshoemaker Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Ok, my teacher yesterday started experimenting with different acids, and hydrogen peroxide (30%); it seems phosphoric reacted the most of the acids, but overall the peroxide blew everything else away. Unfortunately it will be a week before I can get back and see if there is anything there. We used small samples, so most likely there won't be any fossils, but this is a good way to see which yields the best results in breaking down the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgodwin37 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 For carbonates and shales with abundant calcite (test with 10% HCl first) we use Formic acid in this ratio: 1 kg sample in 5 liters of water with 550 ml of Formic acid. I usually run 2-4 kg samples for Conodonts, and leave for 24-36 ours to avoid etching, this is a very standard method. Wash and sieve with 10, 35, and 100 or 120 mesh sieves, and then dry it. I recommend being gentle, don't try and force it, it may take multiple runs, especially with shales. For shales I simply immerse in hydrogen peroxide until it reacts, wash and repeat until all the shale is consumed, which may break down completely, it may not if there is some silica cement (such as you may encounter in some hard black shales). Cory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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