12 Strange Formations

[Ghoastman]

these are just 12 of 33 formations found together on a sandstone shelf that runs about 1000 feet  along the pacific coast. the main image showing the 12 explains the impossible odds that these are just natural formations. 

[Fossildude19]

Mother Nature can create amazing things, without them being fossils. 

I see concretions and nodules. Not fossils. 

 

Wait for other opinions, but I think the power of Pareidolia is at play here.

[Jaybot]

Very nice presentation!  I appreciate the effort you put into this.

 

However, unfortunately I believe this is a fine case of Pareidolia.

[Ghoastman]

fossildude19, RE: Mother Nature can create amazing things, without them being fossils. 

of course your statement is very much correct. we see it all the time. that idea would work with, 3, maybe 5 id even go out on a limb and say 7  with the detailed replication of different sea creatures being found on one small area even if they were the only 7 formations present, (of course after5, on a mathematical, scale of odds, were getting into the realm of improbable,  beyond 7 thats reaching impossible, then there is the fact that only the 33 formations react to uv light, not even an inch off of any formation reacts, from a scientific standpoint, the odds must be taken in to account. while its true that different eyes see different things, as you see concretions, i see replications, not just resemblances, these replicate to the micro detail specific sea life.  why could these not be fossils?  we all know that fossils do form this way under specific conditions, in fact the fossil record shows these are the type of fossils and conditions that produce these type fossils.  if there were a giant UV spot light that could be focused on this entire shelf on a moonless night, the reaction would be so spectacular, it would be like seeing a aquarium lit up at night with 33 different species of sea life all standing out so vividly, a child could name them all off. to you this is a concretion. the eye, the ear, the flippers come on seriously. 

[trilobites_are_awesome]

25 minutes ago, Ghoastman said:

fossildude19, RE: Mother Nature can create amazing things, without them being fossils. 

of course your statement is very much correct. we see it all the time. that idea would work with, 3, maybe 5 id even go out on a limb and say 7  with the detailed replication of different sea creatures being found on one small area even if they were the only 7 formations present, (of course after5, on a mathematical, scale of odds, were getting into the realm of improbable,  beyond 7 thats reaching impossible, then there is the fact that only the 33 formations react to uv light, not even an inch off of any formation reacts, from a scientific standpoint, the odds must be taken in to account. while its true that different eyes see different things, as you see concretions, i see replications, not just resemblances, these replicate to the micro detail specific sea life.  why could these not be fossils?  we all know that fossils do form this way under specific conditions, in fact the fossil record shows these are the type of fossils and conditions that produce these type fossils.  if there were a giant UV spot light that could be focused on this entire shelf on a moonless night, the reaction would be so spectacular, it would be like seeing a aquarium lit up at night with 33 different species of sea life all standing out so vividly, a child could name them all off. to you this is a concretion. the eye, the ear, the flippers come on seriously. 

I am sorry but you are wrong, These are not fossils, And whether or not a child could see them irrelevant we can see that there is nothing.

I'm sincerely sorry.

James

[Fossildude19]

29 minutes ago, Ghoastman said:

fossildude19, RE: Mother Nature can create amazing things, without them being fossils. 

of course your statement is very much correct. we see it all the time. that idea would work with, 3, maybe 5 id even go out on a limb and say 7  with the detailed replication of different sea creatures being found on one small area even if they were the only 7 formations present, (of course after5, on a mathematical, scale of odds, were getting into the realm of improbable,  beyond 7 thats reaching impossible, then there is the fact that only the 33 formations react to uv light, not even an inch off of any formation reacts, from a scientific standpoint, the odds must be taken in to account. while its true that different eyes see different things, as you see concretions, i see replications, not just resemblances, these replicate to the micro detail specific sea life.  why could these not be fossils?  we all know that fossils do form this way under specific conditions, in fact the fossil record shows these are the type of fossils and conditions that produce these type fossils.  if there were a giant UV spot light that could be focused on this entire shelf on a moonless night, the reaction would be so spectacular, it would be like seeing a aquarium lit up at night with 33 different species of sea life all standing out so vividly, a child could name them all off. to you this is a concretion. the eye, the ear, the flippers come on seriously. 

 

 

 

Wow. Hard to read without punctuation.    Walls of text are tough on the eyes. 

However, I get your point.

 

But your math isn't mathing. 

I am not a geologist, but I am sure there is a reason why nodules or concretions in the same formation have the same make up where they fluoresce the same way. 

That is not impossible or unusual.

Fossils do not generally form 3-Dimensionally, (with a few notable exceptions, like in Brazilian fish nodules).

Something fossilizing  in 3-D is not known from your area, as far as I know.

 

Extraordinary claims require EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE.  Sorry, but I do not see evidence in your photos.
Unfortunately, I think you have a lot more work ahead of you, if you wish to convince this Forum's members that these are fossils of any kind.

Best of luck, to you.

[Ghoastman]

Fossildude19, 

so ive given lots of evidence, confused about your reply,  all im getting back is replies saying these aren't fossils. Then you said my math isnt adding up. RE: this is. what you said:

"but I am sure there is a reason why nodules or concretions in the same formation have the same make up where they fluoresce the same way. 

That is not impossible or unusual"

what your saying could only apply to specific limited numbers. each time the number increases by just one, the probability decreases in a compounded mathematical formula. at 7 out of 7 its already in to the realm improbability, each addition beyond 7 moves further into the realm of impossibility.  (saying your sure there is a reason why, with out giving a reason doesn't exclude the point) the sediment is ALL sandstone,  what your saying "is not unusual", is just not correct. look at the attached image under uv light, only the formation which mimics a cephalopod to the micro detail. the reaction is due to the high levels of carbon that is left behind as the mineralization process takes place. thats why it is not found even an inch off the actual formation. this is why UV light is so important in these type fossils, it reveals exactly the space where any organic tissue once occupied. if your sure there is another reason, please, explain.  This is no cocretion. 

[Ludwigia]

1 hour ago, Ghoastman said:

we all know that fossils do form this way under specific conditions, in fact the fossil record shows these are the type of fossils and conditions that produce these type fossils. 

 

Making baseless statements like this is not going to convince any person here who is experienced at recognizing true fossils that you have found any here, and all of your mathematical arguments don't prove that these formations are fossils. As Tim has already noted, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and so far I haven't seen or read any real proof here as yet.

[Fossildude19]

I'm not a geologist or mathematician, or statistician.  I just know that given your small sample size, I am unconvinced of your math/suppositions.

I just have 29 years of collecting fossils to go off of.  All YOU have, are pictures, next to Other Pictures.  Good proof of Pareidolia, ... nothing more.

 

There could be many different causes for these shapes. The diagenetic processes when forming.

Differential weathering.  Also, if this is on a coast, it could be subject to wear and tear from the tides/sand action. Acid rain.

 

Just because something LOOKS like something else, it doesn't mean that it IS that something else.

Not all are concretions, but many could be concretions or nodules.

 

Pictures and comparison pictures are NOT proof or EVIDENCE.  I can show pictures that do not match up with your items. That is not proof of anything.

 

Take one out of theformation, X-ray it, and show us the bones in the X-ray..  If you are correct, there should be bones to be seen.  

 

 

[Randyw]

I've looked at your pictures and read your comments. But I'm with the others I'm not seeing anything biological here. I'm not see any fossils at all. Your argument that the sheer numbers make impossible also don't hold up. Anyone gazing up at a cloudy sky would be able to similar numbers if shapes that look like other things. That doesn't make them so. Simple study of how things fossilize will go a long way to showing why these aren't what you're thinking they are

[Randyw]

Theres a whole multi page post here on the forum with examples of pareidolia that you might benefit from viewing

[Ghoastman]

I mean Nobody no disrespect, but you folks are just in complete denial. 

What i'm suggesting is not impossible, and yet each of you seems to think its not possible. 

in fact there are hundreds of papers on research gate from highly respected scientist showing

that these type fossils are being found. in great numbers.

fossildude19 says, 

Extraordinary claims require EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. 

what part of 33 out of 33 is not extraordinary.

UV reaction, to the millimeter, only on the formation. 

to say that isn't unusual is completely false. it is impossible without an explanation

there is nothing that could have caused this to happen naturally. just the idea is absurd. 

there is one explanation only and that is carbon. and the carbon could have only gotten there one way. 

It was already there and left behind when the soft tissue was replaced by the silica during mineralization. 

OF COURSE I'M OPEN TO HEAR YOUR EXPLANATION.   

THIS IS NO CONCRETION.

NOTICE ONLY THE WHALE IS DISCOLORED DARK BLACK, OUT OF ALL 33

THERE ARE TWO WHALES BOTH BLACK BECAUSE THE OIL CONTENT WAS SO RICH IN THE SOFT TISSUE THAT ITS STAINED THE SILICATES. UNDER MAGNIFICATION THE INDIVIDUAL SILICATES RESEMBLE SMOKEY QUARTS.  only the two whale formations hold this property. just more evidence, of which there are about a couple hundred little pieces of evidence like this within the whole group. each individual fossil holds its own unique extraordinary pieces of evidence that prove its true origin. 

[Fossildude19]

Science is based on repeatable results.

33 out of 33 nodules, formed under the same conditions, might very well be UV reactant, down to the millimeter of where the formation is.

I do not find it extraordinary, just notable. 

WHAT is making it UV reactant, figuring THAT OUT, ...  is the science. 

 

Look, we just do not believe you are seeing what you think you are seeing. 

We mean no disrespect, but we all, collectively, have many years of experience dealing with fossils. We just don't see them in your items.

 

Posting pictures of animals or creatures that look like your items is just that, ... not proof, just pareidolia and pattern recognition at play.

I can see the shapes, I just don't believe they were once animals.     Just geology, which, in itself, ... is kind of amazing.

 

Your best option, at this point, would be to contact a Natural History Museum or University Paleontologist, and get them to look at your finds.

I personally think it's slim to no chance of these being fossils the you think they are.
 

[trilobites_are_awesome]

As I said before these are strangely shaped rocks no fossils.

UV does NOT make replaced soft tissue glow!

[trilobites_are_awesome]

48 minutes ago, Ghoastman said:

in great numbers.

Not in great numbers never in great numbers they are found but they are extremely rare.

[Fossildude19]

The OP has decided we are too close minded, for us to appreciate his special finds.

As so many who have come before him.

Therefore, we bid him farewell, and best wishes with his items.

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