Peace river oddities

[PeaceRiverHistory]

Hello Fossil Forum, 

I finally found the time to clear through my collection and I settled on a number of items that I never had a solid ID on, all found in the Peace River Wauchula area

 

Thank you for any help!

Item 1: Some sort of mammal incisor, I would guess camel?

Item 2: Foot or ankle bone of some kind, if possible an ID would be great but I understand these are rather tricky

 

Item 3: Unfortunately fragmentary tooth, the weird notch gives me hope for an ID

 

Thanks again!

[Done Drillin]

Not the most ideal pictures but I’ll hazard a guess and go with #1- camel or llama incisor   #2- not certain (measurements might help) #3 Tapir incisor

[C2fossils]

#1 Maybe a very worn sawfish tooth?

@Jaybot @Shellseeker @Balance

[Jaybot]

2 hours ago, C2fossils said:

#1 Maybe a very worn sawfish tooth?

@Jaybot @Shellseeker @Balance

I don't see anything that suggests sawfish tooth for #1.  It has a distinct enamel border on the first photo below.

Looks mammal to me... perhaps some sort of incisor?  I do not instantly recognize it, but maybe later I'll do more digging.

 

@Balance JP, have you seen any strange wear patterns in Equus incisors like this (or any incisor for that matter)?

@Shellseeker Jack, perhaps you've found something exactly like this..  I'm going to lean on y'alls Florida experience for this one

 

Just a thought, could this be something other than a horse/bovid/cervid incisor?

 

Cropped, and brightened photos of the specimen in question:

 

 

 

 

 

[Shellseeker]

4 hours ago, PeaceRiverHistory said:

Item 1: Some sort of mammal incisor, I would guess camel?

Here are some closeups...

 

 

Might be Llama incisor,  but I am far from convinced....

No insight on #2. 

Agree with Tapir incisor for #3.....

[Shellseeker]

LLama Incisor... Possibly... would like Brighter photos in the sunshine, so it is easy to determine breaks between root and enamel....

[Shellseeker]

Adding Tapir:

 

And a couple of Horse.... I am now leaning Horse for due to broken, straited enamel in OPs first photo for find  #1....

[PeaceRiverHistory]

Thank you all for the IDs!

 

Tapir incisor for 3 is 100% spot on! Definitely matches

 

These are some photos of a llama incisor for sale by Prehistoric Florida and it matches the wear and root pattern well

 

Thank you FF!

 

[hemipristis]

4 hours ago, PeaceRiverHistory said:

Thank you all for the IDs!

 

Tapir incisor for 3 is 100% spot on! Definitely matches

 

These are some photos of a llama incisor for sale by Prehistoric Florida and it matches the wear and root pattern well

 

Thank you FF!

 

 

The key to the ID on this one is how it tapirs towards the root. 

[Done Drillin]

Assuming that #1 is not a primary tooth I do think that some of the dimensions of the tooth preclude it from being from a horse. The labio-lingual dimension of horse incisors( adult) are greater than the much more gracile llama/camel incisors that can be very thin at the Incisal edge. Wear can of course affect the thickness so that is a bit of a factor but the procumbant position of camel/llama incisors usually demonstrate wear in a more eccentric pattern rather than uniformly across the occlusal surface thus the notched pattern you see in many camelid incisors. Abnormal chewing patterns can certainly occur in horses due to congenital and behavioral (wood chewing) causes so this last statement is far from all inclusive.