Shamalama Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 While going through a box of material that I'd collected from the late Silurian (Pridoli to Lochkovian) aged Keyser formation I found these odd fossils. They look very filamentous but don't seem to form any sort of cohesive fossil that I recognize. Specimen 1 Closeup Specimen 2 - This one looks a little polished because at one time I think I tried used my Dremel tools brushed to try and clean matrix off. Closeup The rock it is found in is a thin bedded limy shale that was deposited in a lagoonal environment similar to the back bays of the modern East Coast shoreline. Do you think these are fossils of algae? I can't find anything in my (admittedly sparse) library that indicates such fossils are found in the formation. I know in other parts of the formation one can find Stromatoporids but those are sponges and look nothing like these fossils. I'm ruling out trace fossils also as they have too much texture and are often "flowing" in one directions rather than random like most ichnofossils. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 kinda looks like broken-up pieces of "woody" material all jumbled together. the lines and definition of the edges of each piece are more straight and distinct that i would expect from algae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Based on the age of the rock, I would say a stromatolite. They look very similar to petrified wood, but where around in the Silurian. Brent Ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Based on the age of the rock, I would say a stromatolite... That, or calcified algae? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I've seen these shapes before but can't remember where I don't see algae or stromatolite I'm leaning more towards remains of plant material Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Looks like a terrestrial vascular plant Dave. The Keyser Fm is quite large. Where did you collect it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 Piranha - I collected them from an old quarry near Mapleton, PA which is about as close to the middle of Pennsylvania as you can get. Brent - I'm not thinking Stromatolite because of the length of the strands and the lack of layering. Stromatolites are found in the Keyser but usually as spherical or rounded shapes. If you have any examples that look like what I found I'd like to see them. Tracer, Indy, Piranha - Hmmm... Early vascular plants? I suppose it's a possibility as it was a lagoonal environment and the age of the rocks is within the range for early terrestrial plants. Personally I'm leaning towards Calcified Algae like Auspex suggested. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Piranha - I collected them from an old quarry near Mapleton, PA which is about as close to the middle of Pennsylvania as you can get. Brent - I'm not thinking Stromatolite because of the length of the strands and the lack of layering. Stromatolites are found in the Keyser but usually as spherical or rounded shapes. If you have any examples that look like what I found I'd like to see them. Tracer, Indy, Piranha - Hmmm... Early vascular plants? I suppose it's a possibility as it was a lagoonal environment and the age of the rocks is within the range for early terrestrial plants. Personally I'm leaning towards Calcified Algae like Auspex suggested. These shapes are not something new... I'm wondering if anyone has any images of Calcified Algae for comparison Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 it isn't a direct analogy but i've got some fossil plant material from younger strata that is similarly "jumbled". i've also seen a fascinating jasp-agate with the equivalent of a plant breccia sort of look to it. i just sort of wonder if the environment couldn't have caused the cellulose to start breaking down and coming apart and the material got agitated somehow by a storm or other energetic fluid environment and then the stuff settled and mineralized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 it isn't a direct analogy but i've got some fossil plant material from younger strata that is similarly "jumbled". i've also seen a fascinating jasp-agate with the equivalent of a plant breccia sort of look to it. i just sort of wonder if the environment couldn't have caused the cellulose to start breaking down and coming apart and the material got agitated somehow by a storm or other energetic fluid environment and then the stuff settled and mineralized. I agree... High energy lagoonal environment could easily play a major role in the appearance. Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Unless there is something there that I am not seeing, I am still going with stromatolite, using Occam's razor- It was found in an oceanic deposition (I think) It is from a time when land plant fossils were not particularly common The deposit is known to have algal fossil remains As I look at the photos again, it looks like a laminar stromatolite that might have been broken up and re-deposited. Brent Ashcraft Edited October 24, 2011 by ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniraptoran Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 cool find, but has anyone ruled this thing out as a mineral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 They look very much like root tufts of hexactinellid sponges. Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 They look very much like root tufts of hexactinellid sponges. looking at it again, i like your concept better than mine but couldn't find much in the way of comparative images to look at. got any links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I don't see sponge root tufts Titusvillia? root tufts Web page: My link Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Shamalama's last close-up pic looks right for hexactinellid. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of images on the web - here's a piece of "Hyalostelia" (a bit of a catchall genus) from the Carboniferous. Scale=1cm Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 TqB's suggestion of a sponge root tuft sounds promising. A hexactinellid even better except there are none described in the Treatise from the Silurian of Pennsylvania. Attached are examples of Stiodermatidae (Uralonema-Carbiniferous) and Dictyospongiidae (Hyalosinica-Cambrian) each within Hexactinellida that exhibit similar overall morphology and described having a stalk and root tuft of coarse spicules with loosely twisted texture. Perhaps we can discover a list of the fossil sponges of Pennsylvania (Ordovician-Devonian) that can point in the right direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Oh interesting, Sponge "roots"? That is something different for sure. Great ideas and pictures guys, I could see these being from a Hexactinellid sponge now. I just ordered "Paleocommunities--a case study from the Silurian and Lower Devonian" from Amazon as it has a couple of papers that are referenced on the PaleoDB site for the Keyser formation. Hopefully it will have some more info on species found within. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now