Dirtdog Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Is symmetrical the right word? Both sides identical. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Shape looks similar to a garfish scale, those typically have one side with a shiny "enamel" tho Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdog Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 The shape is similar, looked just now online, no enamel is odd compared to googled images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) The size at ~4 mm is too large for a gar scale. Need better images for ID. Edit: Oops! That should be ~4 cm, of course! Edited June 1, 2016 by Harry Pristis http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdog Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 A mystery. I will get some better images in the daytime. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Auspex Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 The size at ~4 mm is too large for a gar scale. Need better images for ID. 4 cm, I think you meant... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TNCollector Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It looks like a bivalve of some sort, perhaps a mussel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I also think it's a bivalve and very probably a mussel. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I'm a bit suspicious of this is an internal mold of a bivalve. I've never found one jet black and the chip in it shows glossy smooth fracture. Anybody see this state of preservation from Florida of an internal cast before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyssa Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I have found jet black internal molds of bivalves along with a range of other colors that were very detailed here in Florida although I don't have any pictures of them at the momnet. When I get home tonight I'll see if I can locate one of them. All of the molds like that I found in creeks. What you have doesn't quite look the same as any of the molds that I've found before. That could just be a case of it being damaged or being a mold of a species I haven't seen before. Was this found on land or in water? Kara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNCollector Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I'm a bit suspicious of this is an internal mold of a bivalve. I've never found one jet black and the chip in it shows glossy smooth fracture. Anybody see this state of preservation from Florida of an internal cast before? Sorry I probably should have been more clear, I did not say that I thought it was an internal mold. I beleive that it is an unfossilized bivalve, probably a species of mussel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdog Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 It was found on dry land with lots of dugong ribs and bone fragments about. Was there a larger fish than the gar cruising these waters? I know Tampa Bay at one point had a sturgeon population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdog Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Found another one of these today in the same area as the last one. Any ideas would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I know nothing about this and I'm a noob, but it looks like some kind of plant seed to me. Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Maybe a sesame seed... bone? It looks like a bone, but has no articulation surface, so maybe is a floating bone, otherwise known as a "sesamoid bone", because they are seed shaped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesamoid_bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Maybe a sesame seed... bone? It looks like a bone, but has no articulation surface, so maybe is a floating bone, otherwise known as a "sesamoid bone", because they are seed shaped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesamoid_bone Sesamoid seed. Nice. :-)This is the shot that made me think of a seed pod. Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdog Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 It has similarities to some whale teeth images I am seeing online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Man, I see what you mean. The shape, color, and surface striations match. Not sure about the size range? Your specimen is pretty thin, too. Even if not a whale tooth, you might be on the right track. What kind of animals are typical for your site? See if there's a match in here. I searched manatee county fossil: http://mikrogeo.com/uploads/Vertebrate_Fossils-reduced.pdf Edited June 21, 2016 by CraigHyatt Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I've seen this sort of bone at some time, I think; but, I cannot recall its origin. I'm guessing fish . . . maybe Carl will recognize it. Anyway, here are some gar scales for comparison: http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I've seen this sort of bone at some time, I think; but, I cannot recall its origin. I'm guessing fish . . . maybe Carl will recognize it. Anyway, here are some gar scales for comparison: fish_gar_scales.JPG His specimen sure looks like a shape match for the rightmost example. His size (~4 cm) is reasonable, too. His specimens look quite thin, and that would match a fish scale. Not sure about the surface texture matching. Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Your second find (post 16) is a ventral postcleithrum from a puffer fish. A postcleithrum is a bone near the gill plate. These are common fossils in the Pliocene of North Carolina, probably common in Florida too. Not sure what your first fossil is but is probably a fish bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Your second find (post 16) is a ventral postcleithrum from a puffer fish. A postcleithrum is a bone near the gill plate. These are common fossils in the Pliocene of North Carolina, probably common in Florida too. Not sure what your first fossil is but is probably a fish bone. Al Dente nailed it o the second find. I`have many of these from Lee Creek. I also believe the second is some type of fish bone. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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