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Authentic Kem Kem Fossils? Composites?
eurichhhh posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
Hello! I'm a new member and I was hoping I could get some second opinions on some Kem Kem fossils I'm thinking about purchasing. I've only collected American species, and have been recently interested in bones out of the Kem Kem beds. I've stayed away thus far because of the stories of composite fossils and Frankenstein pieces, but I've come across a couple that I thought were interesting and fairly priced. Was hoping I could get some other thoughts before moving on any of them (wanna make sure they aren't composites or areas of fill look weird). I've attached pictures of three specimens I'm looking at. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 1) Spinosaurus Vertebra 2) Spinosaurus Rib I think this one is what it is, prep work doesn't look the best, but just wanted confirmation I guess. 3) Carcharadontosaurus vertebra (transverse processes) I was wondering if I could get help on confirming the id on this one, not really sure what carcharadontosaur vertebrae are supposed to be like. Centrum is missing, not sure if that's important for the id.- 2 replies
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Hi, I have a friend in Morocco who is helping me get my hands on some Bawitius or other Polypterid material from the Kem Kem Beds as it is one of my top bucket list fossils. Today he send me this picture what he might believe could be a match for my search. Now I am not a fish expert and there isn't a whole lot of Bawitius material available to compare it to. So I was hoping of some of the Kem Kem or fish experts might chime in and shed some light on the piece. @LordTrilobite @gigantoraptor @Haravex VID-20210902-WA0006.mp4
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Hi everyone! I want to introduce some new additions to my teeth collections. 1. Nodosaur tooth from Judith River Formation This tooth is from Hill Co. Montana. Has nice set of serrations, and 10 mm wide. There are two genus of Nodosaur known from Judith River F. : Edmontonia and Palaeoscincus, thus, this is a Nodosaurid indet. 2. Pygmy sperm whale (Kogiopsis) tooth from Hawthorn Formation This tooth has no tip, but have enamel and root. This is slightly larger than 3 inches.
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Hello fossil lovers, I buy recently this partial (?upper) beak and this bone of a pterosaur (maybe a ?humerus). I need a confirmation of my identification and a help for a more precise id, to maybe determine the family or even better the specie.
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Hello everyone, i have a question concerning Rebbachisaurus vert. I saw a huge Kem Kem vert in the Troodon’s collection that he refered to a dorsal Rebbachisaurus vert, the problem is about this identification. I can’t find any other vert like this in rebbachisaurid papers, particularly about Rebbachisaurus who show great difference about the morphology of the neural process and the centrum. I don’t see any pleurocoel on the centrum of the troodon’s vert and the neural spine is laterally flat with a strange « granular plate » on the anterior surface. I think about two possibilities : maybe this vert is on another position, or pertain to an another specie. I need help from persons who better know sauropods than me, It’s possible that i miss informations or a paper.
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Hello fossils lovers, i’m in south Morocco for the week-end and today i went to Begaa and i have a little doubt about fossils that i saw, if someone can help me. firstly this femoral head :
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Here’s another one I’m not sure about. I know we are still learning about the Kem Kem Beds daily, but I wanted to give this one a shot to see if any of the community had any input. I know you all know much more than I do. It was sold as Dino/Crocodyliform, so not much to go off of besides it was in the Cretaceous Kem Kem beds.
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Hi everyone, I am currently eyeing this Theropod tooth from the Kem Kem beds in Morocco which is listed as a Deltadromeus tooth. Now I know that no teeth can be attributed to Deltadromeus as no cranial material has been found yet and I know that most teeth sold as Deltadromeus are in fact Abelisaurid teeth but this tooth seems way to curved to be Abelisaurid which could my eye instantly. So I was think if this might be a Dromaeosaurid tooth which while rare (and not yet officially described from Kem Kem) are somethings found and sold as Deltadromeus. Or might this be a small anterior tooth of a Carcharodontosaurid, I would appreciate your thoughts and imput on this tooth before I commit to buy. These are currently the only pictures I have, I am not sure if they suffice to give a proper ID whether these are Dromaeosaurid or Carcharodontosaurid, so I also asked the seller for some photos of the base of the tooth and if possible some close ups of the serrations. Thank you in advance, Ziggy Cardon
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Hi folks! Received a new theropod indet. tooth today from the ever exciting Kem Kem. I was tentatively leaning towards a Carcharodontosaurid indet i.d., in line with morph type 3 in the always handy guide from @Troodon, but a few properties of the tooth have me wanting to get some extra opinions. Measurements: Crown Height: 27mm Crown Base Length: 10mm Cross Section: 7mm Mesial serrations: 5/mm (midline) Distal serrations: 3/mm (area just above damage at midline) There is a neat repair at the tip, a bit of damage to the enamel near the apex on the anterior and around midline on the posterior. There is also a shallow chip out of the enamel near the cervix (can be seen in the cross-sectional pic). The tooth is quite noticeably recurved (moreso than most teeth I've seen with a similar morph type). There is a labially displaced distal carina, in-keeping with Carch features, but chisel shaped denticles are present; something I have personally not seen on any teeth if this kind in the past. Lingual Side Labial Side Mesial Face (The mesial carina is lingually displaced and reaches approx ⅔ way down the mesial face. Denticles are very subtle and annoying to count.) Distal Face Cross Section Mesial Denticles Distal Denticles Comp w/ Carch indet. anterior tooth Denticles from the same position near the apex: Thanks in advance for any input.
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Hello, so I saw this a while ago, and seller has sent me some extra photos. It's a very strange little tooth from Ksar es Souk, Kem Kem. The seller found the closest match being the pterosaur Ornithodesmus latidens at a museum, so assumes this comes from a pterosaur of a similar species. I haven't seen any Kem Kem teeth like this. It is 1.5cm long, has slight serrations. I am wondering if it might actually be a juvenile tooth from Hamadosuchus or one of the other serrated-toothed crocs from there. I see some of their teeth have this triangular shape--though not an exact match. Would love to see others ideas. Thanks
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Anything dodgy with this Spino tooth?
FF7_Yuffie posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
Hi, How does this Spino look? It's 3.1 inches, so a good inch bigger than the others I have. The seller says no repairs or restoration, but that tip looks like it might be repaired---although could be a crack. But are there any signs of restoration, or filling or compositing two bits of teeth together? Thanks- 6 replies
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Hi, I saw this for sale and figured it'd be nice to display alongside my Kem Kem Sauropod teeth. But is it actually a dermal scute as described? I see a few others of these sold as sauropod scutes, but it just be a case of misidentification, so figured it best to check here. It is from Kem Kem. Sellers description says these are sold as scutes but that he hasn't seen any scientific papers describing them as such, so the ID could be wrong. Thanks
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Hi, Any thoughts on the ID of this? It is labelled as a theropod toe bone from Kem Kem. 5cm x 4. The preservation seems odd to me. Most toe bones sold from Kem Kem seem to be that distinctive yellowish orange color. Is the theropod ID right, or is croc/reptile? Thanks for the help
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Hi, I am interested in this tooth---sold as Plesiosaur tooth from the Kem Kem Beds. First time I've seen one from Kem Kem sold before, but I see someone bought one recently in the "mailbox score" thread, but it looks different--lighter colored preservation. Anyone know if this is actually from Kem Kem going by the matrix and preservation and not from Ouled Abdoun with just the wrong formation listed? It is 5CM long. Also the tip---just repaired, or compositied? I'm a bit concerned that the top of the tip seems a little bit wider than the middle. But it could just be a bodged repair. Thanks
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Any restoration work on this Spinosaur foot claw?
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Hi, A while back I asked about the identification of this theropod foot claw, but it is still for sale and I am thinking of buying it. I wanted to ask now, if anyone can see any sort of repair work done on this claw (such as with the tip of the claw?), the seller says there is no restoration and I can't see any repair work on it, but I am never too confident with dinosaur claws. Thanks. -
Hello Sorry, I'm rewriting this message in English. Considering the effectiveness of the responses to yesterday's post, I am submitting another one to you. Also found in the continental interlayer of the Kem kem plateau in Morocco. Bone density seems to be attributable more to a dinosaur than to a crocodilian ... A bone in a joint (carpus?). Does the shape of this bone inspire anyone? Thank you in advance for your answers.
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Os du continental intercalaire des Kem kem Bones of the Continental Intercalary of Kem Kem
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Bonjour Quel est donc cet os? La structure osseuse ressemble à celle des Mawsoniidae mais sans certitude. Quelqu'un est-il plus inspiré?- 6 replies
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Just bought these little beauties. Were sold as 'dromaeosauridae sp.' finger bones. Ad also named them deltadromeus. Now, I'm aware of the difficulties with ID'ing Kem Kem theropod but I like buying cheap-ish fossils and then trying to figure out what they really are. Part of the fun I guess. Total length of both bones is ~63mm. Not sure if the arrangement is correct, bones seem to fit well. They're small, which makes me wonder if they're theropod at all. Did look into deltadromeus, found the gualicho shinyae which might be the best reference point it seems. Bones do look like some of the gualicho material, but more like the feet and not hands. Then again: you'd expect bigger bones for dinosaur, unless these are juvenile I guess. There are some minor repairs on the smaller bone. Nothing too crazy. So I'm hoping you guys can help out, as always! Am I looking at (juvenile?) theropod bones with a likeliness of being deltadromeus (as advertised) or at something completely else?
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I have here three vertebrae from the Kem Kem of Morocco sold as "Dinosaur or Crocodilian." Is there any way to identify which of these they belong to, and if so, can they be narrowed any further? Thank you, Bellamy First one is 1.5" long and 1.5" wide
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I just recieved a box with a random assortment of Kem Kem fossils and I was wondering if some of you might help out with some of the ID's 1) A fish scute, Adrianaichthys (Lepidotes) pankowskii would be my guess. 2) Another Adrianaichthys (Lepidotes) pankowskii scale? 3) A small bone, turtle perhaps? 4) Crocodile osteoderm 5) Crocodile osteoderm 6) I often see similar fossil sold as Kem Kem coprolites 7) base of an Onchopristis numides rostrum tooth 8) A large fish vert, could it be Chondrichthyan like Onchopristis or probably just bony fish? 9) A fish vert? 10) Spinosaurid tooth
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I recently acquire this tooth from Kem Kem basin , Morocco . size at 2 cm long . I think it look just like the Nigersaurus tooth from Paper publication attached below But as far as i know there is no Nigersaurus present in kem kem ?? or this tooth is just another sauropod indet. ? What do you think ? Best regard Guns
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Hello, Can anyone take a look at this rib piece, please and give your thoughts? It is sold as a spinosaurus rib. It is from Kem Kem and measures 21 inchs x 3 inches x 1.9 inches (at it's widest points). Interestingly, it also has supposedly three predation marks which seller suspects was made by a Carcharodontosaurus. So, if someone can look and confirm that it's a spinosaurus and if they are predation marks as opposed to natural wear or damage with tools during extraction, that would be excellent. Seller also says that there are hairline stress fractures and resin stabilisation on one end which was very fragile is the only restoration. They will be in a 2nd post shortly. Edit: Uploaded
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Hello fellow forum members, some time ago I acquired what I thought of as a theropod ilium from the kem kem . it just crossed my mind that it could be another kind of archosaur alltogether, maybe a crocodylomorph? What do you think? At the moment i can not take more pictures of it easily, but maybe one is enough? Thanks and regards, J
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Hello, many years ago a bought this small tooth in a shop, at the time they told me it was a dino tooth, that it came from kem kem, and the child me was happy. Now after all these years I clearly know that this isn't a dino tooth, but anyone can help me identifying it? Maybe it's croc or pterosaur
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I have a 1" dagger-shaped tooth from the Kem Kem. I bought it as a crocodile tooth. The way it's shaped I assumed it was a fish fang, but the enamel looks pretty much like a crocodile's. Here are the only photographs I have access to for the time; is it identifiable? Thank you, Bellamy