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  1. BirdsAreDinosaurs

    Partial tooth: Spinosaurid or...?

    Hi all. I know this is not a great tooth by any standard. But to be honest, I do like how it shows its age. Also, it emphasizes how well preserved my other teeth are. And it is nice and chunky! The tooth has lost some of the features to make an accurate ID. Still, it looks Spinosaurid to me. Could it possibly be something else? It is 7 cm long and from the Kem Kem beds. Thanks!
  2. jikohr

    Kem Kem Phalanges id help

    Hi everyone! I've gotten ahold of some kem kem phalanges and while I think most are Theropod I still could really use a second opinion to make sure (and potentially a further id like Spinosaur). I say most because while I'm fairly certain the first three are Theropod the last one looks off to me. Kinda reminding me mammal phalanges from deer or something I've seen from Florida. Any insight is greatly appreciated as always!
  3. BirdsAreDinosaurs

    Kem Kem Sauropod tooth?

    Hi all. This tooth is advertised as an Rebbachisaurus tooth from Kem Kem (these are the only pictures provided). I have tried to find comparable teeth in earlier topics on this forum, but I was not really able to find a good match. What do you think? Is it a Sauropod tooth? Could it be Rebbachisaurus or probably something else? Or are more pictures or details needed? Thanks!
  4. BirdsAreDinosaurs

    Small theropod tooth

    Hi all. I am trying to learn about the characteristics of Dromaeosaurid teeth. This badly repaired and glued teeth (I am not even 100% sure it is not a composite) from Kem Kem is advertised as Dromaeosaurus, which it is most likely not. Yet it seems different from most Abelisaurid teeth and it might have some Dromaeosaurid like characteristics. Still I doubt it is the real deal, as I don't see a clear difference in serration density. What do you guys think?
  5. Hi all, This tooth (4.2 cm) was advertised as a Carcharodontosaurustooth that was broken and repaired on two spots. I do however strongly suspect that the tip of the tooth is from a different speciment than the rest of the tooth. It seems to have a somewhat different colour, texture and shine to it. What do you think? Thanks!
  6. BirdsAreDinosaurs

    Three small theropod teeth from Morocco

    I recently bought these three little teeth (between 1.7 and 2.0 cm long). They are from the Kem Kem Beds in Morocco. They were advertised as Dromaeosaurus teeth, but I know that is not very likely or well supported. I think the first two teeth might be Dromaeosaurid (mesial and distal serrations are different and the tip of the teeth extend past the base) and the third one might be Abelisaurid (distal side is almost straight). But I could very well be wrong, so I would like to hear your opinions. Thanks!
  7. Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and recently acquired what I think is my first dinosaur tooth. I am pretty excited and surprised that Spinosaurus teeth are so common and pretty affordable. What do you think of this tooth? Did it belong to a Spinosaurus? I bought this specimen because of the well preserved enamel and the nice colour. It was glued together after excavation, but that is okay by me. I believe i can discern some vestigial serration. Thanks for your insights!
  8. Guns

    Kem Kem Vertebra

    Hi everyone . I recently receive this vertebra from Kem Kem basin . I am not sure about ID of this vert ... could be Theropod vert? I removed some of the matrix that covered this vert. I hope it helps a bit in ID There are some gap fill/restored areas to this vert as clearly see in photo. Thank you in advance and Happy Christmas ! Guns
  9. Hello! I saw a jaw fragment for sale from the kem kem beds, it's identified as crocodile. I've seen picsc of crocodile jaws before and that they have like a pitted texture, I don't see that very clearly on this one, but since this is out of my expertise I want to ask you guys who has more knowledge. Could it be something else like a spinosaurid?
  10. Hi everyone! This has been kind of a labor of love for me for the past few months. About a year ago I acquired a wholesale lot of 1000 Squalicorax pristodontus for use in little fossil collections I make to sell. As I was going through them I noticed the differences in shape and on a whim that turned into a labor of love thought "I'm going to see if I can make a composite jaw of this species". I checked around and couldn't find anything on a reconstructed jaw from S. pristodontus so everything is my own approximation by comparing all the teeth to each other to look for similarities is angle and proportions, similarities to smaller Squalicorax that have been reconstructed, and similarities to the modern Tiger shark (which in my opinion and I think I saw this elsewhere as well has the most similar teeth of any modern shark to pristodontus) to figure out how many teeth where in a row and where to place them. The project took on a life of it's own in my down time and here is the end result. Anyway, I was hoping to get some feedback on it.
  11. DenverEdge

    Kem Kem vertebra

    Looking for help on id for this vertebra from The Kem Kem beds. It is 1 inch x 1.2 inch x 1.2 inch. Feels exceptionally light at 13.8 grams sounds hollow you can hear sediment rattle inside. Unfortunately it appears fairly damaged on one side. Side 1: Bottom: side 2: top: Front end? back end?
  12. Hello! I'm a new member and I was hoping I could get some second opinions on some Kem Kem fossils I'm thinking about purchasing. I've only collected American species, and have been recently interested in bones out of the Kem Kem beds. I've stayed away thus far because of the stories of composite fossils and Frankenstein pieces, but I've come across a couple that I thought were interesting and fairly priced. Was hoping I could get some other thoughts before moving on any of them (wanna make sure they aren't composites or areas of fill look weird). I've attached pictures of three specimens I'm looking at. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 1) Spinosaurus Vertebra 2) Spinosaurus Rib I think this one is what it is, prep work doesn't look the best, but just wanted confirmation I guess. 3) Carcharadontosaurus vertebra (transverse processes) I was wondering if I could get help on confirming the id on this one, not really sure what carcharadontosaur vertebrae are supposed to be like. Centrum is missing, not sure if that's important for the id.
  13. Le Quoc

    Spinosaurus caudal bone?

    I have this bone from long time ago. As seller label it as Spinosaurus caudal vertebrae bone from Kem Kem bed, Morocco. But I’m not sure about this label about Spinosaurus or other species, can you guys help me to have a look? Thank you!
  14. Truthseeker

    Tooth from the Kem Kem beds

    Hello, I'm trying to correctly identify a tooth found in the Kem Kem formation. It is clearly predatory! I was told it was possibly dromeosaurus, however after a search it seems there are many wrongly identified as this species from that location. Any help would be much appreciated.
  15. PointyKnight

    Kem Kem Notosuchian or Theropod?

    Hey everyone! I just received a few teeth from the Kem Kem Beds near Taouz, Morocco. Among them one has me particularly stumped - I’ll do my best to provide as much information as possible, but let me know if more is needed! The tooth was listed as a theropod, though even the seller thought that assignment was only tentative. Its total height is 14mm. As the pictures above show, it’s moderately recurved as well as slightly curved lingually, with very distinct flutes running the whole length of the crown, 6 lingually and 9 labially, with the lingual flutes appearing stronger. It’s mediolaterally compressed, with a flat (or slightly concave?) lingual and more rounded labial profile, and a slightly lingually offset mesial carina. The distal carina reaches the base of the crown, whereas the mesial carina stops slightly short of it. The serration density on the distal carina is about 5/mm, on the mesial carina it’s about 7.5/mm (definitely noticeably smaller), getting more dense towards the base. When it comes to weird carnivores there’s of course no shortage in the Kem Kem, with a plethora of unusual teeth without a known owner. So far I haven’t come across one quite like this. I wouldn’t want to exclude the possibility of it being a theropod completely from the start. Still, my first thought went to Notosuchia: There’s an abundance of notosuchians known from the Kem Kem Group, probably as many described as undescribed. For one, there’s the small uruguaysuchid Araripesuchus rattoides (SERENO & LARSSON 2009), which can be excluded pretty easily. Aside from A. rattoides teeth being generally far smaller, the morphology doesn’t fit either: Specimens such as MNN GAD19 illustrate well that the largest teeth in Araripesuchus, its caniniforms, are recurved, but far more bulbous than what we are looking for. The other parts of its dentition are highly heterodont, with mostly small, low, rounded crowns. Additionally, none of its teeth are fluted in the fashion we see here. Next in line are the peirosaurids Hamadasuchus rebouli (BUFFETAUT 1994) and an as of yet undescribed taxon likely closer to more derived peirosaurids, Peirosauridae B [ROM 52620 and ROM 49282]. The latter is often attributed to H. rebouli, but will hopefully be revised after the description of BSPG 2005 I 83. IBRAHIM et al. 2020 lump everything into Hamadasuchus, but didn’t do their own analysis and note that reevaluations are in order. Similar to Araripesuchus, peirosaurids are highly heterodont, with conical anterior teeth and lower, more robust posterior teeth. The relatively high number of specimens helps in this regard: While recurved, the anterior teeth in Hamadasuchus are subconical and not overtly fluted. The posterior teeth, while possessing serrated carinae and showing some fluting, are far more stout and bulbous. In Peirosaurid B, the anterior teeth, most notably the caniniforms, are indeed fluted and recurved, but are very conical and do not possess serrated carinae. The posterior teeth, while possessing serrated carinae, some mediolateral compression, and being overall taller than in Hamadasuchus, are not recurved or fluted, but symmetrical and far more blunt than the pointed form we are looking for. Lastly, there are the ziphosuchians: IBRAHIM et al. 2020 use ‘Candidodontidae’ CARVALHO et al. 2004, though they note it’s unclear what exactly this family comprises of, so it might be best to treat its members simply as basal ziphosuchians. Libycosuchus brevirostris (STROMER 1914, 1915) has very little preserved in terms of teeth, and sits between other notosuchians which have very strange dentitions themselves. Looking at relatives such as Candidodon (CARVALHO & CAMPOS 1988), it would appear that these basal taxa would also have had mostly heterodont dentitions with conical anterior and low posterior teeth. Additionally, BUFFETAUT 1976 notes that the teeth appear to have been comparatively small overall, which appears right when looking at the alveoli of BSP 1912. I couldn’t find any reference to fluting or serrations in its immediate relatives, only in the far more derived members of this group, called ‘advanced notosuchians’ by POL & LEARDI 2015. There’s some evidence that animals similar to these younger South American taxa might have existed in the Kem Kem noted by IBRAHIM et al. 2020, but even then, the anterior teeth in this group show a consistently conical or teardrop-shaped cross-section, not the compressed shape we see here. IBRAHIM et al. 2020 go on to refer some material to Sebecidae SIMPSON 1937, though this is likely due to the general instability in notosuchian taxonomy. The material isn’t described in the text, but is highly doubtful to be from a true sebecid, as that family is only known from the Maastrichtian onward. Quite frankly I’m at a bit of a loss. I know trying to ID Kem Kem teeth too often ends in ‘We just don’t know’, and having looked at the options I haven’t made much headway - the tooth doesn’t really resemble anything that’s described or goes into the direction of what’s undescribed and fragmentary, at least to me. So I’d like to hear your opinions - is there something I have grossly overlooked? Is it just a very weird notosuchian or something else? Could it be a theropod after all? I’d love to hear your thoughts! Thank you very much for your help! BUFFETAUT, E. 1976: Der Land-Krokodilier Libycosuchus STROMER und die Familie Libycosuchidae (Crocodylia, Mesosuchia) aus der Kreide Afrikas BUFFETAUT, E. 1994: A New Crocodilian from the Cretaceous of Southern Morocco CARVALHO, I.d.S., & CAMPOS, D.d.A. 1988: Um mamífero triconodonte do Cretáceo Inferior do Maranhão, Brasil CARVALHO, I.S., RIBEIRO, L.C.S. & AVILLA, L.S. 2004: Uberabasuchus terrificus sp.nov., a New Crocodylomorpha from the Bauru Basin (Upper Cretaceous), Brazil IBRAHIM andabunchofothers, 2020: Geology and Paleontology of the Upper Cretaceous Kem Kem Group of Eastern Morocco POL, D. & LEARDI, J.M. 2015: Diversity Patterns of Notosuchia (Crocodyliformes, Mesoeucrocodylia) During the Cretaceous of Gondwana SERENO, P.C. & LARSSON, H.C.E. 2009: Cretaceous Crocodyliforms from the Sahara SIMPSON, G.G. 1937: New Reptiles from the Eocene of South America STROMER, E. 1914: Ergebnisse der Forschungsreisen Prof. E. Stromers in den Wüsten Ägyptens. II. Wirbeltier-Reste der Baharije-Stufe (unterstes Cenoman). 1. Einleitung und 2. Libycosuchus @Troodon
  16. I need a few more Cretoxyrhina for the display I’m trying to finish. I really do not want to spend money so I’m trying a trade. I recently got some rare Kem Kem Lamniformes teeth and can offer up a Leptostyrax. It is the largest of those I got at 2.6 cm. There is some matrix on the root but the tooth is in pretty good shape. I would consider teeth from any location but my preference would be a location I don’t have such as New Mexico or Alabama. PM me if you’re interested
  17. fossilsonwheels

    Kem Kem Lamniformes teeth

    I recently picked up 5 Lamniformes teeth from the Kem Kem Beds. 3 are easy ID’s, Leptostyrax. There are 2 that I need a little help with. First one is 2.1 cm. I know both Cenocarcharias and Haimirichia are known from the Kem Kem beds. I have no examples of either in my collection. I didn’t find a lot of examples of Haimirichia so I can really pin it down.
  18. Crankyjob21

    C427568C-6F00-4387-9283-F41317BDBA35

    From the album: Cranky’s album of fossils

    The rostral Barb of the fish onchopristus numidus from the kem kem beds
  19. PaleoZorryn

    The Rough Rider State Hello

    Hello! My name is PaleoZ and I live in North Dakota, U.S.A. I live in the famous Glacial Lake Agassiz deposit. Here in the surrounding fields I have found fossil shell imprints, soft bodied marine animals, nautilus shells, and a couple other of unidentified fossils that are very indistinct. My two most favorite geological formation are the Hell Creek Formation and Kem Kem Beds of Morocco. I have found and collect and variety of fossils from U.S.A, Madagascar, Morocco, Canada, and many unknown location fossils. I love pretty much anything fossil related and if you have a cool new fossil, I would love to see it. Every Fossil has its Story. Keep hunting and exploring the world. Sincerely PaleoZ
  20. Sergio Barbeira

    A Deltadromeus agilis teeth?

    Hello again! These are two different teeth described as belonging to Deltadromeus agilis. The images are not very good, sorry! Any chance to corroborate it?
  21. Dino9876

    Strange fossil from Kem Kem Beds

    Hello, I recently discovered this strange fossil while browsing my collection. It is from the Kem Kem Formation and measures around 6cm on the longest side. I did some research but had absolutely no idea what that could be. I think it's also very difficult to determine, but maybe one of you has an idea. I would be happy to receive a few suggestions! On the left side (red arrow in the pictures) there is a 1cm deep "hole", a kind of bulge, but not broken out, but the natural shape of the bone. Many thanks and best regards from Germany
  22. ancientlifecaptor

    Theropod Dinosaur Tooth from Morocco ID

    HI, I purchased this Unidentified theropod tooth a few years ago from a seller that sold it as a "Raptor" tooth. It is from the Kem Kem beds from Morocco, during the late Cretaceous Period. It is 1.3 Centimetres (1/2 inch) long. The seller also mentioned that it may likely be from an Abelisaurid. I think that it is most likely an Abelisaurid tooth and I am looking forward to updating it's identification tag in my collection. Yet I need to be certain that I am correctly identifying this tooth. What are your thoughts about what this tooth could be? I apologize if I spelled/addressed the names incorrectly and I would thank you for the correction. Feel free to ask for better quality pictures if you need any.
  23. Excellent paper that examines the geology and paleontology of what they call the Kem Kem Group that includes the lower Gara Sbaa and upper Douira formations . I will add that the authors view of the dinosaur assemblage in this fauna does not agree with recent publications from other paleontologists. Great images of croc teeth, dinosaur teeth and claws. It even discusses "that some geographic names are simple errors that gain traction in secondary citations. In a prominent compilation of dinosaur localities, for example, the term “Tegana Formation” was cited for the “Kem Kem beds” (Weishampel et al. 1990). This may have arisen as a misspelling of the “Tegama Group”, a name for Cretaceous age beds in Niger. Although the error was noted (Sereno et al. 1996), it has reappeared in subsequent publications (e.g., Bailey 1997, Kellner and Mader 1997, Taverne and Masey 1999, Weishampel et al. 2004)" Article ...PDF in that article is +100mb https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/47517/
  24. Wow three more Pterosaurs from the Kem Kem and all toothed one premaxilla is similar to the English ornithocheirid Ornithocheirus simus. Currently identified as Ornithocheirus cf simus. The other a premaxilla is referred to Coloborhynchus, bearing similarities to C. clavirostris from the Hastings Group of southern England, and C. fluviferox from the Kem Kem beds. Identified as Coloborhynchus sp. A. A mandibular symphysis closely resembles that of Anhanguera piscator from the Romualdo Member of the Santana Formation of Brazil. Identified as Anhanguera cf piscator In total, the Kem Kem pterosaur fauna includes at least nine species, of which three are ornithocheirids. Paywalled but check out the outline to see images of the jaw sections https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195667119303258
  25. A short paper and article on sauropod teeth from North Africa. Nothing new just more info. Paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338689936_Sauropod_dinosaur_fossils_from_the_Kem_Kem_and_extended_'Continental_Intercalaire'_of_North_Africa_A_review Article: https://theconversation.com/what-we-learned-from-dinosaur-teeth-in-north-africa-130894
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