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Trying to identify 2 Verts from the Peace River, Florida. Initially I thought that the 1st vert was shark. It is unusual. Hopefully someone recognizes the big circular "hole"... The 2nd is beat up a little, maybe harder to identify
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Out today to the Peace River, Great day, great weather, good friends. Barely time to post a few photos of finds before going to sleep. Many of my co_hunters keep only the best and toss the rest.. I keep everything I find somewhat interesting. So a couple of group photos... In the 1st photo, a collection of Glyto stuff in lower right, a couple of very strange mammal verts that I might put up in the Fossil ID section tomorrow. Upper right is a unique Mammoth tooth fragment. 2nd photo has an Equus Phalanx on the right, a couple of lower hemis (38 and 45 mm) on upper left. A few more photos: Other side of Mammoth fragment: The backside of that round vert on right of photo #1, I have no clue on this one. and finally, a small chunk of coral with crystalized polyps. I have found these before and could track down the name. Some of these finds are relatively rare for me.. I also enjoy finding different stuff. Hope you do also Jack
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I found this at the weekend in a creek off the Peace River in Florida. It's pretty worn, but you can still see the serrations along the edge of the crown. My initial reaction was that it was a tiny posterior megalodon. It's only 0.5" wide however. Any thoughts? The bit that confused me was that it curls up slightly when laying flat (see third photo)
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Wondered if I could get a little help ID'ing these two shark teeth I found at the weekend in a creek off the Peace River, Florida. I found lots of nicely colored Lemon, Tiger and Dusky shark teeth over the weekend but these two were a little different Tooth #1 - This is the yellow tooth with the curved tip. This had the hallmarks for a Lemon with the flat root, but the very curved tip looked odd. Is this a pathological Lemon or another species? Tooth #2 - This looks like a symphyseal tooth but I don't think it's a Tiger as it's not got any fine serrations. Any thoughts. Both are about 0.5". Thanks in advance Attached to this posted is Tooth 1
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This is the time that my northern relatives like to seek warmer weather, so I am juggling guests, traveling , and fossil hunting... I was out Sunday and not again until today.. Once again, I went to a location that I had thought was dug out years ago, including lots of trips by me. Here is a group photo of the "best" finds... A great Butterfly osteoderm, 2 chunks of fossilized wood, a camel_llama tooth without roots, a nice 33mm Meg and a tarsal or carpal from an unknown (to me ) mammal. Extra credit for identifying what type of tree provided the wood. The tarsal/carpal is 32x24x13 mm. I am used to seeing Equus tarsals or carpals. This one seems really small and maybe is not equus. All comments, suggestions appreciated. Some more photos:
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I have a minor medical procedure tomorrow morning. Nothing serious but it will keep me out of the Peace River for a week or so....So today I went hunting for the last opportunity before a layoff. Did I tell you that I am lucky? I have 4-5 hunting friends and when asked, they all claim that I must be one of the luckiest fossil hunters in the world.. You can judge. My friend Dave had found a Meg in a new location for him and suggested we go back to the same location today. When I got to this "new" location, I realize that I had dug this same spot extensively back in 2013-2014. However, the depth of the river in down from last moth and Dave indicated that he had found deep gravel with lots of hemis, tigers, duskys, lemons and a few Megs.. Sounds interesting , We really had a workout expanding the hole down and out. I was in waist deep water to start and shoulder deep water at the end of the day. Lots of small teeth, plus , horse and chunks of Mastodon, Mammoth, and ivory...Dave was finding similar fossils plus a number of nice small Megs. Nothing unique Until. Dave thought this might be tusk because of the obvious layering. I am not positive, but If it is not tusk, there are few sources of 4-6 inch canines in the Peace River watershed. Let's see what Bobby think for this find. @Boesse I could not be more pleased. ANY identification yields a super rare fossil, even one that is broken in half. As we paddled back to the bridge, Dave indicated (half_humorously I hope) that he may not be taking me to his new locations in the future.
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Great day, hunting with a friend, warm, sunny. Did not even need a wetsuit. and then unknowns!! I love unknowns because it gives me a chance to learn and study thesenewly acquired fossils. First a tooth found by my hunting buddy. I have no clue what this is.. Next a medial phalanx.. almost 2 inches.. and finally a vertebral process.. I once found a Mammoth process almost 14 inches... this one is not that large... In the same hole, I found a 3 inch Sloth Proximal Phalanx... Lots of bones today.... As always, identifications, suggestions, and comments are greatly appreciated. Shellseeker
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I was hunting in a lot of smaller gravel (almost Pea gravel) and thus found many smaller fossils.. Here are 3 of the one I was unsure of the identity. All suggestions and comments appreciated. Jack Fossil #1 Mammal tooth Fossil #2 Mammal Incisor Finally #3 a shark vert...
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Out hunting today... found lots of interesting stuff, but this thread is about one find. I have found lots of small pieces of ivory, and a section of Mammoth tusk, and a small Mastodon tusk (I have been lucky but I give my luck lots of hard work and opportunity). Today I found a large chunk of Ivory and my hunting buddy said it was "Bark Ivory" and they make knife handles out of it, but be careful because it might break... So this is just a discussion and set of questions when I find something and want more details. What is Bark Ivory? It does not seem to have Schreger lines.. these lines are straight in one direction. Does not ALL ivory have Schreger lines? What is the pock_marked rough exterior? Is it natural pre-mortem or some sort of boring worms? If this stuff is fragile, how do I stabilize and/or polish to make those knife handles.. Inquiring minds want to know. and I am thinking that some fossil hunters may have answers. Thanks.
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I met a friend near Arcadia on Tuesday. He gave me a Sand Tiger he had just found. A couple of questions: How many different species are called Sand Tiger? How many of those existed in Florida? What is the proper scientific name for this 1.4 inch Sand Tiger? I was slightly confused and wanted to share my acquisition of this very nice tooth... I was out today and found a small shark tooth (along with lots of other stuff) that I have never found before. I use a 1/4 inch screen and this tooth dangled over the river.. I was lucky to catch it as it fell... So , which shark, which position.... Is this tooth complete???
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Out on a beautiful day with friends, returning to a location that had produced some good finds where I knew what I was finding. The river was up a foot since we hunted last and since my specific location was already pretty deep, I had to move and find another spot. The finds were "odd" .. lots of broken mammal teeth, few small shark teeth, and lots of scutes and bones. Example: Found a complete Glypt/Dillo osteoderm smaller than a dime and my smallest Meg ever. But this is an ID thread: 1st -- foot pad or hoof core??? 2nd... Antler or tusk tip?? Finally 3rd , a vertebrae with both processes broken off All guesses, requests for different views, suggestions appreciated. Thanks Shellseeker
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Was hunting yesterday in the Peace River. Good friends, sunshine, LOTS of small shark teeth, a couple of nice finds and a couple of unknowns. My BEST Meg of the day was small and broken: A very complete and large (2.5 inches across) Puffer Fish Mouthplate: A JAW with 2 teeth, I think it is raccoon but would love confirmation... and then this fossil (2.75 x 1.0 inches) for identification. This bone is complete! I thought I knew what it was before looking at the end in this last photo... Now I will look for TFF and Florida experts... Interesting fossils with good friends on a beautiful day....
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I am not positive what techniques others use when finding a blob of fossil or rock on the sieve. I turn it over once or twice and if I am not positive on whether it is fossil or rock, into the collection bag it goes. So a few days later, I am trying to figure out which are worth keeping: One of these is an excellent find, which I discovered 3 days later. Is it obvious which? I think I know what 2 of them are, have a good guess on a 3rd, but not clue on the 2nd and the 5th. So, another photo of the 2nd and the 5th. Maybe they are rocks..... The 1st is an Equus hoof and then this one I think is a hoof , but not sure whose hoof... That gets us to the last... If this is what I think, it is easily my best find of the day, and many fossil hunters would have tossed it. OK, gave you one, can you Identify the rest? Fossil or rock is a good start... Shellseeker
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Went out this morning to what is appearing to be another Blancan site. I hunted Blancan fossils at a different location from 2015 to early 2017. That old location is pretty much played out, but now I am finding Blancan index species at a new site. I feel blessed . Cold at the beginning 41/42 degrees at 8am. However the sun was shining and it reached 58 degrees by noon. My hunting buddy found a number of Makos including a perfect 2.75 silver blade/brown root. He also found 4 plates of a mammoth tooth. I was no slouch .. 15 each of nice unbroken tigers & duskys, 3.3 Makos, an equus upper m3/p2, 2 armadillo scutes, camel lower tooth, deer tooth, and these.... Those of you that know me realize that the 1st photo of Nannippus Peninsulatus (11x13x22 mm) was all that I needed for a GREAT hunting trip. The rest is gravy. Going out again tomorrow.
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It was a gorgeous day for 5 hours, then the cold front arrived about 1:30pm in Arcadia. I found Makos, tigers, ray bucklers, a llama ankle bone, a couple of antique bullets, and my hunting partner found and asked me to identify BIG (12.5 inches): I guess you can see LITTLE on the previous photo: Thanks for any and all comments and identifications. Jack
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It has been a very hectic end of the year with many events both positive and negative taking my focus away from fossil hunting. I have been blessed in those instances when I can go out. I only have a day left this year and I am wondering whether I will brave the temperatures. I have a LOT of motivation. Yesterday I went to a new special location "gifted" by a fossil friend about 5 weeks ago. It has a lot going for it, in addition to high quality fossils and a good friend to hunt with.... We even had a sunshiny day. There are some heavy concentrations of surface gravel but the higher quality material is down 3-4 feet below the surface gravel, the karst, sand, on the clay. It is a lot of work, and I don't find a lot of fossil quantity but....I have been finding one of these about every 12-18 months and I know that is lucky because my hunting companions digging right next to me have not found them. There is no determinate identification for this whale, because usually one finds isolated teeth. I found a 4 inch diameter vert... 3 feet away from the tooth. I do realize this means almost nothing...but I am becoming curious on the lack of larger fossil sperm whale teeth available in North Florida and Georgia. Another photo that shows an oddity that I had not previously realized: This tooth is worn down by constant abrasion with the tooth above/below it and it even seems that the other side is also slightly worn. I had seen this phenomenon in Cat, Sloth, peccary, etc but not previously in whale. Yesterday was a great fossil day --- I will have the memory and joy of finding
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Myself and my hunting buddy (un_named) are certifiable. We went out hunting this morning with the airtemps at 41 degrees in Wauchula. Not being completely crazy, I had my 7mm friend with me. I found a great Astragalus (turns out to be modern cow), and a complete femur (ditto). We saw a large gator. I felt sorry to see it slip into the water as we passed. The gator was just grabbing some rays on the sand banks. I found a couple of Megs, 2 pieces of fossilized wood, numerous small teeth and then these 2. Without the root , I am not positive this is giant thresher. If so, it is my 2nd in 10 years and even missing most of the root, will get a place of honor. I do not find many of these either... I have been labeling these "sawfish"; other have called them shark vertebrae or sting ray vertebrae. 33mm in diameter. Any insights? Thanks for all comments. Jack
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So I found a relatively small horse tooth. It is not hard to do. There are lots of Horse teeth in the Peace River, most of which are large but there are lots of small ones. A reason that this gets interesting is that Equus .sp is the most common horse species in the Peace River and goes back maybe 1.5 million years (there is some debate on the exact boundary line for the Pleistocene). Before Equus there were a great diversity of horse species, all smaller animals with smaller teeth. So whenever I find a small horse tooth: Is it Equus or is it an older smaller horse with smaller teeth? Here is a tooth from this week: So 26.5x11 Here are a couple of those smaller teeth from smaller horses: Here is a small Horse tooth found on the same day with Nannippus peninsulatus (above) that we agreed was still large enough to be Equus .sp All of the above teeth are lower jaw teeth (either m3 or p2 which look exactly the same) . So the question I have is: Is there a consensus on the minimal occlusal size (length and width) of Equus .sp lower jaw teeth? I have known examples of Equus (32x15) and Nannippus (19x9). Is a 26.5x11 tooth in the range of equus or not? All opinions and facts appreciated.
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This is late for me but I have been distracted with other issues. Basically on my 1st real hunting day, I had low expectations. A lot of prospecting, deeper water, etc. But this was a good day. Lots of small quality shark teeth, 3 decent lower hemis and a ALMOST unbroken Meg. I may go back to this spot. I thought these are modern wild pig and broken capybara incisor. But my find of the day was almost fantastic As it flipped into the sieve , I thought whale or tusk, but it turns out to be bone. About the best complete dugong rib I have ever found and it had to be a very small animal. So analysis requested. Is it complete? Another photo of the "end" Thanks to all. Jack
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Between hunting trips, I catch up on sorting old finds. I have what I believe is a Medial Phalanx that seems unusual to me. But first a look at a couple of other finds to test your ID capabilities. Canines.. 21, 28, and 43 mm. I think I know the identity of the last 2, and could guess at the 1st just based on shape/size. Here is another with 2 possibilities in my mind, and it is broken, It is 23 mm and finally the toe bone, It is 34 mm in length, A while back (2012) I was comparing medial Phalanx from jaguar and deer. This one seems different from either. Thanks for any and all suggestions.
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I am going thru last seasons finds, trying to find space in the collection. It is a nice way to pass the time until hunting season opens. In 2016, that did not happen until the 3rd of November.. I hate to think I may have 5 more weeks to go. Some very small shark teeth. The one I stopped to think about is lower left -- broad root like a Mako, but serrations.. I just do not know. It also has a point that tips up. as do 3-4 other small teeth I picked up that day. So , what are these small teeth? Thanks to the shark teeth experts on TFF.
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When I was hunting 4 times a week, I would ziploc bag most small fossils without serious identification. Cleaning out after Irma, I am sorting 2014 bags. Here is a canine that I originally thought dolphin. Now I think more likely coyote or raccoon, but even unsure how I would decide .
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I had a fantastic day yesterday afternoon, visiting and viewing artifacts and fossil private collections from the Peace River watershed. I was hosted by some true experts who also had fantastic collections spanning the last 30-40 years and I was accompanied by some TFF friends. Gorgeous and rare artifacts, a lots of Bone Valley Megs, rare Peace River fossils and even had time in the mid afternoon to practice toss lances with a Atatl stick into Archery targets. A cold icy draft after the exercise and a bunch of good memories. I never take enough photos, but did promise to attempt an identification. So, a native artifact sticking through a section of backbone. My question is which animal has a vertebrae section that looks like this.... Sorry about photos -- but you do get to see some reed and willow "arrows" with replaceable darts in the background. All comments appreciated. Jack
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I managed to get out to the Peace River yesterday. My hunting buddy has a shallow spot, but I also understand that the river is down and dig-gable in spots. The location we are digging produces marine fossils including occasional sponge and different urchin spines. I found a tooth that I did not recognize: First I wondered if it was a tooth; it seems to be squeezed on its lateral sides. I thought the base seems most comparable to barracuda. Some of the photos are blurry and added more to provide a composite view. All comments appreciated. Jack
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I found this a couple of days ago. This is a rare fossil for me -- only my 2nd Camel canine. I figured I would share with those who had not previously although Nate seems to have quite a few available, I am posting to find out a couple of things. How do experts differentiate between a tooth from Palaeolama Mirafica and Hemiauchenia macrocephala ? Are wolf teeth in camels upper or lower (Yes) jaws? There is a wear mark on the inside of this tooth. Does that positively identify position. Thanks in any assistance in typing the description that goes with this find. Jack
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