RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 ...Down to Gorky( Brateyevsky) park... Hi all! It is time to introduce you to the famous Panderi zone of the Moscow fossils. It is named after Dorsoplanites panderi ammonite (middle Volgian/Tithonian, Upper Jurassic), which in turn got its name from Heinz Christian Pander. It consists of numerous cast iron-like (black, heavy, solid but fragile) separate concretions containing mostly ammonites and bivalves. The fossils from the Panderi layer are grim, black, rough and depressive (in line with this winter).The zone is present throughout Moscow but becomes most accessible in the south-east. There are at least 5 spots along the river where you can collect them. 5 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 We start in Kolomenskoye, a former tsars' residence, now a popular park. As we are having an unusually warm winter, there's neither snow, nor green vegetation. It's humid, cold and dark, there are not many people is the park. To get to the river we go down the slope, using an old medieval road. 9 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Here's the embankment. I forgot to tell you the fossils can only be collected in winter, when the water level is substantially dropped (same as with the frozen fossils topic). Everything below the reddish bike lane should be underwater in summer. Those big rocks are not from the fossil layer. They were brought here for river and park development 5 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 This is what became of the famous "ammonite creek", where you could dig up some quality ammonites a few years ago. Now everything is covered with concrete. All that remains is to collect concretions along the waterfront. The site's productivity is effectively cut off 6 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 In water you find mostly belemnites, then ammonite fragments and rarely more or less complete ones. Note that everything is scarce, fragmented and small. 8 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 We go downstream to the railway bridge, which is pretty productive by the Panderi zone (low) standards This is a Pavlovia pavlovi ammonite, which is no less numerous than Dorsoplanites panderi itself. 15 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 There are rare imprints and big ammonite fragments by which you could imagine the ammonites reached 30-40 cm in diameter. Unfortunately the odds to find a complete one are low: the center is usually not preserved, the ammos are fragile and most importantly you can no longer dig them up as the base of the bridge is covered with concrete and wire By the way if you ever get there, dont come too close to the bridge, its a restricted area. 9 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 We continue our way downstream past a beaver dam (yes, there are a lot of beavers in the Moskva river) to a small "beach" (also accessible only in winter). Here we can scoop underwater or dig the ground as some fossil hunters do. They usually look not even for Panderi fossils, but for a worse analogue of Bronnitsy Oxfordian (squished and such) 8 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Here (and to the less extent, elsewhere along the river) you can find some Pleistocene stuff like horse bones. 11 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Passing by Brateyevsky park we come to a road bridge where you can also find some (not much) Panderi fossils. 4 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 And our final destination lies in Kapotnya (opposite river bank), which is slightly more productive. Here you can also try to dig up the layer but according to the people who tried doing so, it's hard and not too rewarding 6 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 In a nutshell the best thing to do is spotting ammonites washed out during summer and collecting concretions in hope of finding fossils inside. Here's the result of the trip - a load of fossils and concretions. The modern shells are collected for comparison. By the way, it's a Panderi ammo in the middle (left and right are Pavlovias) 20 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Thanks for reading! 6 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Very interesting! Thank-you for sharing this information. 1 I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aek Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Nice! Thanks for the tour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Thanks for bringing us along! I really like the ammonites! I hate it when fossil sites are lost to "site improvements" like concrete, riprap, stonework, etc. That river doesn't really look like something I would want to swim in, but I wonder if you could find more by snorkeling (in a wet suit of course). Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Great report, and fossils! Thanks for sharing this with us! 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilNerd Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Well done with your report! Learning about fossils from around the globe is very interesting. Thanks for showing us a side of the world that many of us don’t get to see very often! 1 The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. -Neil deGrasse Tyson Everyone you will ever meet knows something you don't. -Bill Nye (The Science Guy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatinformationist Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Fine and knowledgeable writing skill, colorful maps, and loads of quality specimen pictures, with notes. I think that we should spend more time with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey P Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Excellent interesting report. Thank you for sharing Moscows hidden fossil treasures. Always interesting to read about fossils from far away places. Looks like you've been able to locate some very interesting sites. Congratulations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcordova Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Thanks for the tour! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I always enjoy reading your reports! You got some nice finds too. Congrats! 1 Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Incredible to see such a fossiliferous location in a cityscape. Great report. Thx for sharing 1 growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Thanks again for sharing your knowledge in this way. Did you find anything with your fish net? 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I really enjoy reading your reports - they're very informative, and it's so cool to see pictures of the city as well as the fossils! Thanks for taking us along on your hunts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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