Bradley Flynn Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I live in the Western Cape South Africa. I have found a few fossils that I cannot ID. I'm new at fossil hunting and identifying what I have found, so all help is really appreciated. I have managed to ID some of the fossils, sometimes rocks I have found. Found this particular fossil in a quarry site, the area in which I found it has a grey, clay hardend shale. I split the rock, both rock sections have an impression. The fossil is 45mm H x 1.5mm W. Help with ID please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Maybe no one's answered yet because we're stumped. I am at any rate Maybe plant material? Can you tell us anything about the stratigraphy and a more exact location? Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 This is the exact spot I found it, in the grey rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 Location and info on the quarry. It's old information from a couple of years ago, there was road works that dug out the pit and quarried substrate to fix a road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 A colleague responded: This is a glossopterid ovulate scale: Nogoa biloba (emended from Cometia biloba McLoughlin 2012) Nogoa biloba is an ovulate reproductive structure and has two large ovule scars. McLoughlin, S. 1990 Some Permian Glossopterid Fructifications and Leaves from the Bowen Basin, Queensland, Australia. Review of Palaeobotany and Palynology, 62:11-40 PDF LINK McLoughlin, S. 2012 Nogoa nom. nov., a replacement name for Cometia McLoughlin. Alcheringa: An Australasian Journal of Palaeontology, 36(2):279-281 PDF LINK 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wow! Thanks a million piranha and ludwigia, this one was driving me a little crazy. Super excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Bradley Flynn said: Bump! Some patience is required. You may not get an answer until later this evening (here in the states.) Please do not bump topics after only an hour. It really isn't necessary. Thanks for your future cooperation. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: You may not get an answer until later this evening (here in the states.) Hmm ... I think the answer has already been received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, piranha said: Hmm ... I think the answer has already been received So it has been. Well done, Scott. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: So it has been. Well done, Scott. Only the messenger on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Thanks for everybody's efforts. How can I preserve this small fragile fossil? Is there anything I can put on it to keep it in good shape? Also I would like to make the rock it's in a bit smaller. Rock =matrix? But don't want to take a chance and damage the goods. Any advice would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Bradley Flynn said: Thanks for everybody's efforts. How can I preserve this small fragile fossil? Is there anything I can put on it to keep it in good shape? Also I would like to make the rock it's in a bit smaller. Rock =matrix? But don't want to take a chance and damage the goods. Any advice would be appreciated. Yes, the stone surrounding a fossil, that is to say, that in which it was buried, is the matrix. Your best bet would be to find someone with a rock saw or flex to reduce the size of the rock. As far as preserving it, your local hardware store should have a variety of products for conserving stone which would do the job on the fossil as well. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Just for interest sake, some close ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 This post was one of my early posts here on the forum and have learned much over the last couple of months. This fossil was identified by @piranha as a Nogoa biloba ovulate scale. I do trust @piranhainsights and knowledge. I have however been back to this site many times and have done some research on my finds there, most of what I have been finding at the Whitehill/early permian site has been pygocephalomorph crustaceans, poop, unidentifiables, lots of mesosaur material, what I have not been finding is glossopteris or at least glossopteris with the same preservation as the fossil above. This has got me questioning it ID again. While researching the mesosaur material I have been finding I came across an article that got me thinking that what this fossil could be is a skull section with an intact nasal bone. Here is the article link https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631068312000462 Some images from the article above as reference for the fossil in question. What do you guys think of this idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bradley Flynn said: This fossil was identified by @piranha as a Nogoa biloba ovulate scale. As mentioned previously--I was only the messenger. The ID was provided by a paleobotanist familiar with this species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 @piranha yes of coarse, and I thank you I'm sure that a paleobotanist is far more knowledgeable than myself and it could very well be the correct identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Flynn Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Anyone want to share a thaught on this possibly bieng a mesosaurus skull element? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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