Darbi Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I am just wondering. Have anyone on here found microfossils from Flowerpot Shale/Formation? The age is Permian. I dug up a few kilograms of micromatrix from this formation in Woodward county, Oklahoma a couple months ago. I'll be using this topic to post any finds as time goes: although it would take me several months or years to go through it completely, depending on how busy I am. I still have three other different micromatrices to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Consisting of redbeds deposited in a saline, arid environment, the Flower-pot Shale does not sound promising. However, a person never knows unless he or she actually searchs the residue of a sample for them. Some papers about the Flower-pot Shale are: Sweet, A.C., Soreghan, G.S., Sweet, D.E., Soreghan, M.J. and Madden, A.S., 2013. Permian dust in Oklahoma: Source and origin for Middle Permian (Flowerpot-Blaine) redbeds in Western Tropical Pangaea. Sedimentary Geology, 284(285), pp.181-196. Another link for same paper. Lockwood, R.P., 1976. Geochemistry and petrology of some Oklahoma redbed copper occurrences. In Stratiform Copper Deposits of the Mid Continent Region, a Symposium (Vol. 77, p. 61). Johnson, K.S., 1974. Permian copper shales of southwestern United States. Annales de la Société géologique de Belgique. Another online PDF file of the same paper. More related papers by Kenneth Johnson USGS - Geologic Unit: Flower-pot - Citations for significant publications Yours, Paul H. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadrosauridae Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 There is a large-ish reptile from the flower pot formation. 1 "There is no shortage of fossils. There is only a shortage of paleontologists to study them." - Larry Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbi Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 11:36 AM, Oxytropidoceras said: Consisting of redbeds deposited in a saline, arid environment, the Flower-pot Shale does not sound promising. However, a person never knows unless he or she actually searchs the residue of a sample for them. Some papers about the Flower-pot Shale are: Sweet, A.C., Soreghan, G.S., Sweet, D.E., Soreghan, M.J. and Madden, A.S., 2013. Permian dust in Oklahoma: Source and origin for Middle Permian (Flowerpot-Blaine) redbeds in Western Tropical Pangaea. Sedimentary Geology, 284(285), pp.181-196. Another link for same paper. Lockwood, R.P., 1976. Geochemistry and petrology of some Oklahoma redbed copper occurrences. In Stratiform Copper Deposits of the Mid Continent Region, a Symposium (Vol. 77, p. 61). Johnson, K.S., 1974. Permian copper shales of southwestern United States. Annales de la Société géologique de Belgique. Another online PDF file of the same paper. More related papers by Kenneth Johnson USGS - Geologic Unit: Flower-pot - Citations for significant publications Yours, Paul H. I was visiting north central Oklahoma and Enid area for different reasons and I was not planning on the fossil hunt. It was more like on the spur of the moment for gathering the micromatrix. I searched on the internet for more information on the formations and fossils of this locality after I got home; that's when I realized I probably won't find any microfossils. Although it won't hurt to try! Thank you for the papers, I will read it when I have time. On 8/3/2020 at 11:59 AM, hadrosauridae said: There is a large-ish reptile from the flower pot formation. I have heard about it but I don't remember what reptile. Dimetrodon? I'll have to look it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadrosauridae Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, Darbi said: I was visiting north central Oklahoma and Enid area for different reasons and I was not planning on the fossil hunt. It was more like on the spur of the moment for gathering the micromatrix. I searched on the internet for more information on the formations and fossils of this locality after I got home; that's when I realized I probably won't find any microfossils. Although it won't hurt to try! Thank you for the papers, I will read it when I have time. I have heard about it but I don't remember what reptile. Dimetrodon? I'll have to look it up again. No, it wasnt Dimetrodon. I cant remember the species, but it was like tiny headed, fat-bodied lizard. Kind of a weird looking animal. I read about it being found in an roadcut farther south, but I havent done any searching in that area. "There is no shortage of fossils. There is only a shortage of paleontologists to study them." - Larry Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Vertebrates are rare but yes, they do exist. Mostly they're synspsids, either the large herbivorous caseids (Caseopsis, Cotylorhynchus, Angelosaurus) or Dimetrodon angelensis. There's also a captorhinid (Rothianiscus) and a recumbirostran (Cymatorhiza). The caseids are what hadrosauridae is thinking of. If you do turn up some bone, I'd be very interested in seeing it; the Flowerpot is really poorly known and any fossils could really help us sort out some important problems in early terrestrial vertebrate fauna evolution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbi Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 11:29 PM, jdp said: If you do turn up some bone, I'd be very interested in seeing it; the Flowerpot is really poorly known and any fossils could really help us sort out some important problems in early terrestrial vertebrate fauna evolution. Are you a paleontologist? If I find any, I'll let you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I am! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 11:59 AM, hadrosauridae said: "There is a large-ish reptile from the flower pot formation." I recently came across this paper, while looking for something else. Olson, E.C. and Barghusen, H., 1962. Part I.-Vertebrates from the Flowerpot Formation, Permian of Oklahoma. in Permian vertebrates from Oklahoma and Texas (Vol. 2). University of Oklahoma. Another version of Olson and Barghusen (1962), PDF file Another publication about the flowerpot Formation is: Wilson, L.R., 1962. Permian plant microfossils from the Flowerpot Formation, Greer Country, Oklahoma. Oklahoma Geological Survey, Circular, 49, pp.1-50. Both links came out of Oklahoma Geological Survey Publications on Fossils Yours, Paul H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 11:59 AM, hadrosauridae said: There is a large-ish reptile from the flower pot formation. Not likely to be hiding in micromatrix, methinks! Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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