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Small ?Eocene? Mammal Tooth and jaw with teeth


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I need some help with some I.D.'s. These were both found in some matrix I collected recently in Craven County N.C. The exposure is Eocene Castle Hayne Formation, ?Comfort member. The site produces a few shark and fish teeth, crab claws, echinoids and starfish ossicles. It is a limestone / bryozoan hash. It is possible of course that this stuff is recent or even possibly Pleistocene as I have found pieces of mastodon teeth very close by. 

 

First is a small mammal tooth, 4mm long by 2.2 mm wide. 

 

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Next is a small jaw piece with teeth. I first thought fish, then was thinking lizard. But I really have no idea. The entire section is 10.6 mm long. the teeth are very very small. 

 

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Don, is it possible the second one is a set of pharyngeal fish teeth?

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I'm thinking maybe anole, but I'm not certain.  I know I've seen specimens very much like that in the posts @MarcoSr and @old bones have made on material from the Melbourne bone bed (AKA frog toe matrix).

 

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4 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

I'm thinking maybe anole, but I'm not certain.  I know I've seen specimens very much like that in the posts @MarcoSr and @old bones have made on material from the Melbourne bone bed (AKA frog toe matrix).

 

Don

 

Hi Don,

 

Yeah, that jaw looks like a lizard and the teeth are like an anole especially if you've ever seen the specimens ID'ed as anole from the Brooksville, FL site.  The mammal tooth looks like a rodent - probably a modern one.  The funny thing about rodents is that they are rather uncommon fossils from the Middle Eocene.

 

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7 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

I'm thinking maybe anole, but I'm not certain.  I know I've seen specimens very much like that in the posts @MarcoSr and @old bones have made on material from the Melbourne bone bed (AKA frog toe matrix).

 

Don

 

Don

 

The jaw looks like a lizard jaw.  Amphibian jaws can look similar but the teeth in this jaw look like lizard teeth.  The tooth looks like a rodent tooth.

 

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This view shows the tricuspid teeth that are common in lizards in the suborder Iguania which includes anoles.

 

 

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Thanks everyone.

 @Al Dente  do you think it may be a recent or fossil Anolis carolinensis possibly. The way there is limestone matrix stuck in the jaw around the teeth makes me think fossil.

 

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7 hours ago, Al Dente said:

My guess would be recent. 

 

Hi Al Dente,

 

Right.  Limestone has probably dissolved and left a film/precipitate on modern stuff making it look like it came out of the formation.

 

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19 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

I'm thinking maybe anole, but I'm not certain.  I know I've seen specimens very much like that in the posts @MarcoSr and @old bones have made on material from the Melbourne bone bed (AKA frog toe matrix).

 

Don

Yes, Anole is what I would say as well. I'm glad that the modern or not question was answered by folks more knowledgable than me :)

 
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