PaleoNoel Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Happy New Year everyone. Tonight I thought I might post a fossil whose identity I wanted to confirm. I found it in Wyoming's Lance formation this summer and someone told me it might be a Pachycephalosaur premaxillary tooth because of it's carinae and ridges at the base. However after comparing my tooth to examples I could find online I felt that this ID was incorrect. Eventually I looked back over one of @Troodon's threads and found a jaw labelled as parasaniwa and those teeth matched what I had found. My tooth is about 6 mm long and about 3 mm wide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I was ready to say Parasaniwa, but I am not sure if P has the carina running down the inside of the curve. At the same time, I did not know that Pachy has the wrinkled base of the tooth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, jpc said: I was ready to say Parasaniwa, but I am not sure if P has the carina running down the inside of the curve. At the same time, I did not know that Pachy has the wrinkled base of the tooth.... I don't know if pachy does, it was probably just a misidentification. Here is a pachy premax posted by Denver Fowler on Twitter. I couldn't find a better match than Para for my tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I just read Estes 1964's description of Parasaniwa and he does not mention carinae on the teeth, so I will say.... mystery tooth. (I see now that your tooth has both anterior and posterior carinae.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 @Troodon do the teeth in your jaw section have carinae? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 Following up, @troodon I believe you were away from the forum when I posted this. Do the teeth in your jaw have carinae? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Sorry I was sick at that time, did not see it Let me check my jaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Cropped and brightened: Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Here is a closeup of some of the teeth in my jaw. There is an unserrated carina on both edges that extends slightly below half way. Yours seems to have dimples/serrations on the carina. The base is very similar to yours and heavily infolded around the perimeter typical of Varanoids. Thanks to your question I researched the following and changed my opinion on my jaw. Longrich et al. Mass extinction of lizards......(2012) describes a new jaw from the Lance as Cemeterius monstrosus and states that Palaeosaniwa wyomingensis and Paraderma bogerti are also present and the former being the largest, unfortunately no photos of the teeth but describes Palaeosaniwa teeth as follows: Microserrations present Carina extends the full length of the crown on both carinae Tooth base heavily infolded Labiolingually compressed teeth Cemeterius teeth are described as follows Labiolingually expanded Short massive crown Hooked Posteriorly Tooth base heavily infolded No mention on extension of carinae Yours looks like a Varanoid lizard tooth but not sure which one and I now believe mine is Cemeterius. You might want to contact Nick yours is a bit different if those are real dimples versus wear. If the latter looks like Cemeterius. \ Cemeterius monstrosus A Varanoid jaw in my library of images 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 do you have a pdf of that paper, troodon? Or did you find it online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, jpc said: do you have a pdf of that paper, troodon? Or did you find it online? Here you go. The detail is in the SI Appendix .Lizard Jaws Longrich.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Troodon said: Here is a closeup of some of the teeth in my jaw. There is an unserrated carina on both edges that extends slightly below half way. Yours seems to have dimples/serrations on the carina. The base is very similar to yours and heavily infolded around the perimeter typical of Varanoids. Thanks to your question I researched the following and changed my opinion on my jaw. Longrich et al. Mass extinction of lizards......(2012) describes a new jaw from the Lance as Cemeterius monstrosus and states that Palaeosaniwa wyomingensis and Paraderma bogerti are also present and the former being the largest, unfortunately no photos of the teeth but describes Palaeosaniwa teeth as follows: Microserrations present Carina extends the full length of the crown on both carinae Tooth base heavily infolded Labiolingually compressed teeth Cemeterius teeth are described as follows Labiolingually expanded Short massive crown Hooked Posteriorly Tooth base heavily infolded No mention on extension of carinae Yours looks like a Varanoid lizard tooth but not sure which one and I now believe mine is Cemeterius. You might want to contact Nick yours is a bit different if those are real dimples versus wear. If the latter looks like Cemeterius. \ Thanks for your help! Upon close inspection, there are extremely tiny serrations along both edges of the tooth, which don't even get picked up by the digital microscope's camera, only showing up when viewed through my loupe if the angle of light is right. However, I think my tooth is nearly identical to those in your jaw section and I feel that Cemeterius is the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Troodon said: Here you go. The detail is in the SI Appendix .Lizard Jaws Longrich.pdf Thanks for this, troodon. And thanks for mentioning that the good stuff is in the appendix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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