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NatalieP

Hey there! My daughter found this broken Molar and we are looking for an ID please. I have a couple ideas but I'm not 100%. She found it in the Peace river. Thank you so much

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Fossildude19

Is there an image of the chewing surface?

Try putting the item on a flat surface - holding it causes blurring to occur. 

 

@Harry Pristis  @Shellseeker  @jcbshark

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NatalieP

I'll try when I get home about 45min. The video is less blurry. 

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NatalieP

@Harry Pristis is this a broken Florida Bear Dog Carnassial molar? It looks pretty close to your comparison of dire wolf and bear dog (except broken). It is "secant" 

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Shellseeker

I do not have experience with bear_dog. We need a measurement.  between the red "x"s,  I do not recognize the area in blueCarnassial.JPG.382fd8f1462c0ddc50f508c668b0ec82.JPG

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NatalieP

Here are some I hope better pictures especially of the biting surface. Also on the larger side you can see that that end  was broken off also @Fossildude19 @Harry Pristis

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Fossildude19

Much better pictures! 

Thank you! 

 

Cropped and brightened:

 

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Harry Pristis

These last images are excellent.  I don't know whose carnassial this represents, but I think it's not a canid nor an amphicyonid.  It's a fairly large tooth for late (Pleistocene-Recent) mustelids.  The root canal of the tooth indicates the the cusp must have been tall, spikey even.  That spikiness(?) made me think of a didelphid (opossum), but I am not confident in any ID at the moment.

 

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NatalieP

@Harry Pristis what about saber toothed cat? A fossil friend of mine indicated such said he thinks Feline. The tooth is too big for the oppossum I belive. At .62" with missing end I would put the whole tooth at about an inch. ?? Also thank you so much for your help. 

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Harry Pristis

Well, you're right -- your find is too large to be opossum.  Cats have rather simple, shearing teeth.  I'm fairly confident it's not a cat tooth; but, having said that, I don't know what it is.  It is, no doubt, extensively altered from its form in life.

 

 

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NatalieP

@Harry Pristis thank you so much for helping. I really appreciate it and learning new things!

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1 hour ago, NatalieP said:

I really appreciate it and learning new things!

That's the best part about finding a "mystery" fossil. I am able to push at the limited envelope of my Florida fossil knowledge every time I encounter something novel.

 

You've found a great source for fossil knowledge here. Hope to see more interesting finds from you in the future. ;)

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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NatalieP

@digit I actually have a few more to post. There are some canidae incisor or 1st premolar and some other mystery tooth. Haha

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Harry Pristis

Spikey-toothed and medium-sized . . . Maybe it's not a carnassial after all.  Maybe Platygonus fits.  Just a guess.  I had to borrow an image from Fruitbat's album.  He describes this as deciduous dentition, but you can get the idea.

 

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9 hours ago, Harry Pristis said:

Spikey-toothed and medium-sized . . . Maybe it's not a carnassial after all.  Maybe Platygonus fits.  Just a guess.  I had to borrow an image from Fruitbat's album.  He describes this as deciduous dentition, but you can get the idea.

NICE !!! catch, Harry.  Experience matters. :tiphat:

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