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Hello, I am new to the Fossil Forum but have been looking for fossils for about a year. Yesterday we went Fossil hunting and found these two fossils (along with many other Miocene age fossils) one is some sort of bone, and the other a rodent jaw but I was wandering if anyone knew the specifics? The jaw is from a creek, and the bone is from a land site. They were found in the same city, and are from the Miocene.

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The occlusal (chewing surface) of the rodent teeth are important for an ID. A focused photo in bright light showing this surface will help greatly.

 

Even before seeing that surface, this reminds me a lot of a Round-tailed Muskrat aka Florida Water Rat:

 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/species/neofiber-alleni/

 

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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Oh, and a scale (an actual ruler not something used for approximate size comparison) would be greatly useful for the long bone. ;)

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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1 hour ago, digit said:

The occlusal (chewing surface) of the rodent teeth are important for an ID. A focused photo in bright light showing this surface will help greatly.

 

Even before seeing that surface, this reminds me a lot of a Round-tailed Muskrat aka Florida Water Rat:

 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/species/neofiber-alleni/

 

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

Thank you for the advice, I hope this will work.

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Try a picture with sunlight for the jaw. We really can’t see the chewing surface. The bone looks like a deer cannon bone

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Yup. Better light (outdoors works well as the sun is an unparalleled light source). Hold the camera (likely a smart phone) a bit further away as it looks like you might be too close to focus properly.

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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Is this better? I do agree with you that it looks like a muskrat after seeing other pictures. On the bone, I noticed that deer cannon bones have the curled piece on the end, and it does not look to me like anything is broken on this one.

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1 hour ago, Shark13 said:

Is this better? I do agree with you that it looks like a muskrat after seeing other pictures. On the bone, I noticed that deer cannon bones have the curled piece on the end, and it does not look to me like anything is broken on this one.

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It looks close to vole (IV in the sketch).

 

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Agreed. But that skull looks pretty large for a vole (at least from the species I'm familiar with). The size does seem more typical of Neofiber alleni (the Round-tailed Muskrat). Here's the dentition from the UF link above:

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

 

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