Predator tooth?

[SawTooth]

I found this tooth around what I think was one of my first post on the forum (not very long ago). When I found it I had not tried identifying many predator teeth and did not realize how common the shape was and concluded it was dire wolf, but now I believe that this is not true due to size and rarity of these teeth. I believe it is probably something smaller, maybe feline, raccoon, or something of that sort, any help?

[Lone Hunter]

Maybe the pictures aren't doing it justice, kinda looks like ironstone to me. 

[HuckMucus]

I don't think it's an animal tooth.  Check it with a magnet.  Looks metal.  

[SawTooth]

We'll, I just checked it, and it is not magnetic, what parts are you seeing that make it look like ironstone?

[Lone Hunter]

The whole thing seems to be one uniform color and texture.

[Fossildude19]

Cropped, rotated, and brightened:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Definitely a tooth - maybe coyote?

@Harry Pristis

[HuckMucus]

I see no bone or enamel, or any transition between what would be a tooth and what would be the jaw, and the latter does not look like the root of a tooth, to my eye.

Edited May 14, 2022 by HuckMucus

[Troodon]

Cannot ID but its definitely a tooth, 100%.  Enamel present on crown with one of two roots missing. 

[Harry Pristis]

2 hours ago, Fossildude19 said:

Cropped, rotated, and brightened:

 

Definitely a tooth - maybe coyote?

@Harry Pristis

 

I agree . . . a canid premolar.

[Lorne Ledger]

can confirm carnivore premolar, probably canid

[SawTooth]

I notice that with many predator premolars they have more rough (is that the right word) edges, where as mine has strait edges, unless that was part of the broken off section. Does anyone believe that could help narrow it down?

[Shellseeker]

1 hour ago, Shark13 said:

I notice that with many predator premolars they have more rough (is that the right word) edges, where as mine has strait edges, unless that was part of the broken off section. Does anyone believe that could help narrow it down?

It will depend on size, but I will take you thru the process.

I found a Dire Wolf lower right p4 about a month ago

 

Premolars of canids have fat roots and skinny roots.  Your specimen is missing the fat root.

The primary canids found in this area are Dire wolf and coyotes.

My example is the largest premolar a p4 of the larger canid a dire wolf. 

 

You need to determine which position you have of which canid.  p2/P2 or p3/P3 and then search the internet for example teeth that you can compare to yours. The one measurement you have is that the skinny root on your tooth is 14.5 mm from the base of the enamel. You might have a 2nd measurement on the base length of the mound and a 3rd on the height of the mound from the base of the enamel.

 

I could figure this out if it were my tooth and I was willing to make the measurements and do the comparisons. To quote a favorite actor "What one man can do, another man can do"

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Shellseeker

[SawTooth]

On 5/15/2022 at 8:29 PM, Shellseeker said:

It will depend on size, but I will take you thru the process.

I found a Dire Wolf lower right p4 about a month ago

 

Premolars of canids have fat roots and skinny roots.  Your specimen is missing the fat root.

The primary canids found in this area are Dire wolf and coyotes.

My example is the largest premolar a p4 of the larger canid a dire wolf. 

 

You need to determine which position you have of which canid.  p2/P2 or p3/P3 and then search the internet for example teeth that you can compare to yours. The one measurement you have is that the skinny root on your tooth is 14.5 mm from the base of the enamel. You might have a 2nd measurement on the base length of the mound and a 3rd on the height of the mound from the base of the enamel.

 

I could figure this out if it were my tooth and I was willing to make the measurements and do the comparisons. To quote a favorite actor "What one man can do, another man can do"

 

 

So this is suggesting that my tooth is dire wolf?

[Shellseeker]

3 hours ago, Shark13 said:

So this is suggesting that my tooth is dire wolf?

No, just the opposite. 

Think about the distance on your tooth from the end of the root to the bottom of the enamel. I can not be positive, but it seems to be slightly over 1/2 inch or 13 mm.

I know my tooth to be a Dire Wolf lower right side p4. From the end of its root to the bottom of the enamel is 16 mm. So what we know is that your tooth is not the size of a Dire Wolf lower p4.

http://museum2.utep.edu/archive/biology/dentaryteeth.jpg

The above photo is the lower left jaw of a Coyote that I just copied from the UTEP Paleo Museum website.  Note that  the Coyote teeth look exactly the same as Dire Wolf teeth. The only way you can find out about your tooth is by size.  It seems likely that it will be from a coyote. (Canis Latrans).

 

I had a similar problem,  identifying a predator premolar in this thread a couple of years back.

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Shellseeker