Meganeura Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) So went out on the peace today to a new spot. Which I will absolutely be returning to. This weekend actually, cause it won’t rain till Monday, so the water is just gonna keep dropping! Anyway, had some awesome finds today, even though my cursed Meg luck continues. So to start off with the coolest finds: We’ve got a m2? or m1 Equus horse tooth in incredible condition, there’s only slight damage to the very bottom of the root on one side: A piece of dolphin jaw sans teeth: A massive glyptodont scute: 2 Tilly bones! I was complaining about not finding any of these before, and found my first 2: My only complete Meg from today, a tiny baby: This absolutely massive 1.25” Tiger shark tooth: Large gator tooth: Gator/Croc osteoderm bits: 4 Ray dermal denticles, one of which is the biggest I’ve ever found: a Tortoise spur, I think? A dolphin periotic ear bone: A worn/broken Dolphin vert: A dugong vert process: And finally, turtle shell and Meg frags: And cause I wanted to showcase sizing, here’s a Nannippus P2 vs the Equus m2/m1, and then my old glyptodont scute vs the one I found today: Edited July 29, 2022 by Meganeura Updated Equus tooth from P2 to M2/M1 8 Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Looks like a great day! Hey, you only asked to find a whole meg on the Peace, you didn't say it had to be big. Every time I think I'm going to skip hunting this weekend, you post a bunch of stuff and then I want to go. 1 Fin Lover My favorite things about fossil hunting: getting out of my own head, getting into nature and, if I’m lucky, finding some cool souvenirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Fin Lover said: Looks like a great day! Hey, you only asked to find a whole meg on the Peace, you didn't say it had to be big. Every time I think I'm going to skip hunting this weekend, you post a bunch of stuff and then I want to go. Literally feel the same way, every time you post an Ang you find it makes me wanna go find Megs! And with this new spot, maybe I’ll get lucky on Sunday! Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Lol. Good luck...I hope you find a 6 inch meg! It's going to be too hot here this weekend, but I have a feeling I will end up going anyways. I look forward to seeing your trip report. 1 Fin Lover My favorite things about fossil hunting: getting out of my own head, getting into nature and, if I’m lucky, finding some cool souvenirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fin Lover said: Lol. Good luck...I hope you find a 6 inch meg! It's going to be too hot here this weekend, but I have a feeling I will end up going anyways. I look forward to seeing your trip report. Same to you, you’re just as likely to find that 6 inch meg too! 1 Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimravis Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Wow Daniel, you cleaned up today. I really love the glyptodont skute. Congrats on all of the finds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nimravis said: Wow Daniel, you cleaned up today. I really love the glyptodont skute. Congrats on all of the finds. I'm not sure if the Glyptodont scute, the equus molar, or the dolphin periotic are my fav find from today, but they're absolutely incredible finds. Also realized I totally forgot to snap pics of the whole bunch of mammoth tooth frags I found today. Lots of roots! 1 Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 @fossillarry Is there anyway to tell between M1 and M2 for Fossil horse teeth? Or is knowing the side and whether it’s upper or lower and a Molar the best we can do? Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.cheese Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Awesome finds there Daniel! The scute is the winner for me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 minute ago, mr.cheese said: Awesome finds there Daniel! The scute is the winner for me! It really is quite the gorgeous scute! Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Done Drillin Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Sweet day - love finding those brownies (glypto scutes) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Done Drillin said: Sweet day - love finding those brownies (glypto scutes) Never heard em called brownies before, but I really like the name! Probably my fav find from yesterday! Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 The equus tooth is an m1 or m2 . . . note the lower case "m" for lower teeth. Conversely, an upper tooth would be an M1 or M2. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry Pristis said: The equus tooth is an m1 or m2 . . . note the lower case "m" for lower teeth. Conversely, an upper tooth would be an M1 or M2. Ohhhh that makes a lot of sense. Well, I knew it was a left, lower molar already, but m1/m2 instead of M1/M2 makes sense, thanks Harry! Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossillarry Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 As far as it goes when trying to differentiate between horse upper and lower molar 1/2st and this applies to premolar 3/4s you have to look at a who lot of teeth. You must also examine as many complete upper and lower jaws as you can. After over fifty years I have examined thousands of single teeth,hundreds of partial jaws and dozen of full dentitions. This may not be a satisfying answer to your question but it is the only way you can learn to be a horse toothologist. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Just now, fossillarry said: As far as it goes when trying to differentiate between horse upper and lower molar 1/2st and this applies to premolar 3/4s you have to look at a who lot of teeth. You must also examine as many complete upper and lower jaws as you can. After over fifty years I have examined thousands of single teeth,hundreds of partial jaws and dozen of full dentitions. This may not be a satisfying answer to your question but it is the only way you can learn to be a horse toothologist. Oh, no I more meant like are there specific differences between m1 and m2 on the same side of the mouth? Cause pictures I've seen have shown no clear difference. But I'm certainly already getting better at being able to tell! Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, Meganeura said: Oh, no I more meant like are there specific differences between m1 and m2 on the same side of the mouth? Cause pictures I've seen have shown no clear difference. But I'm certainly already getting better at being able to tell! No absolute way to distinguish between the two positions. Note that Hulbert in his book uses this ambiguous labelling. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Just now, Harry Pristis said: No absolute way to distinguish between the two positions. Note that Hulbert in his book uses this ambiguous labelling. That makes sense. I was looking at the line drawing you had made a while back to see if I could figure out the difference, but couldn't. Now I know why. Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossillarry Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 The short answer to your question Meganeua is still no there is no easy way to tell m1s from m2s. These teeth are very similar and if you find only isolated teeth it"s nearly impossible to do so. If you find a few teeth together, first you must first id the genus to see if they are all the same kind of horse and if they are, about the only way to tell an m1 from an m2 is the m1 will be shorter then the m2 because the m1 erupts first and is more worn. The m1 may be somewhat shorter then the m2 and the m2 is usually more curved anteroposterioly then the m1. Still not many clues to aid in identifying these tooth positions besides experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, fossillarry said: The short answer to your question Meganeua is still no there is no easy way to tell m1s from m2s. These teeth are very similar and if you find only isolated teeth it"s nearly impossible to do so. If you find a few teeth together, first you must first id the genus to see if they are all the same kind of horse and if they are, about the only way to tell an m1 from an m2 is the m1 will be shorter then the m2 because the m1 erupts first and is more worn. The m1 may be somewhat shorter then the m2 and the m2 is usually more curved anteroposterioly then the m1. Still not many clues to aid in identifying these tooth positions besides experience. That actually helps a lot! Not in IDing this tooth beyond m1/m2, but in general for knowledge anyway! Plus I'm sure finding the teeth in the jaw itself is a huge help Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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