briana Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Hi there, I believe I found a brachiopod fossil (pedicle valve). I'm hoping for some help identifying it more specifically - family, genus, or species? It was buried a few feet deep on an eroding, sandy hillside about 30 meters above sea level. The hill is about 2 kilometers from an inlet around the Puget Sound region of Washington state (glacial till). Please see attached photos. It looks like there might be other shells fossilized within the cavity. Please let me know if you need more info/different angle photos. Thank you in advance for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Interesting find, looks like a bivalve rather than brachiopod to me though 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I agree with Misha. Brachiopods show a bilateral symmetry. This shell does not show that. 2 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briana Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Misha said: Interesting find, looks like a bivalve rather than brachiopod to me though 1 hour ago, Ludwigia said: I agree with Misha. Brachiopods show a bilateral symmetry. This shell does not show that. Thank you for your responses! I thought it was a bivalve when I first found it, but the hole in the back confused me. A marine biology professor told me the hole meant it was a brachiopod, so I went with that. The symmetry issue is helpful. If it is not a brachiopod, what could cause a hole like that? What bivalve could it be? I'm wondering if uneven wear on the specimen is making it look less symmetrical, so I'm still not ruling brachiopod out. I've been searching for online resources about bivalve/brachiopod fossils in this area but haven't seen anything that is a clear match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I don't recognize the fossil but it resembles the scallops I find. The hole may be a boring but seems too large for a foramen. There seems to be several pieces of other shells laying inside the valve, visible on the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 @MikeR The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The pedicle opening on brachiopods would usually be a lot more round, even and symmetrical than what you see here. The hole could've simply been caused by weathering of the fossil, many modern bivalve shells also tend to get holes near the beak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Hi, This shell is very worn, so I think the hole is caused by erosion. If it was a brachiopod, the hole would be proportionally smaller, same for a predation hole. Coco 2 1 2 ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briana Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 12 hours ago, Misha said: The pedicle opening on brachiopods would usually be a lot more round, even and symmetrical than what you see here. The hole could've simply been caused by weathering of the fossil, many modern bivalve shells also tend to get holes near the beak 9 hours ago, Coco said: Hi, This shell is very worn, so I think the hole is caused by erosion. If it was a brachiopod, the hole would be proportionally smaller, same for a predation hole. Coco Ah, this makes sense! Maybe the hole even started as predation, but also eroded and became larger/more irregular? Could it be cockle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I agree with some sort of Cardium (cockle) or relative. There are some Eocene and Oligocene deposits around Puget Sound that produce fossils like this. Some of those deposits formed near shore and many of the fossils are wave-worn like your specimen. I'm a little surprised that a marine biologist could misidentify this as a brachiopod. Maybe more involved in plankton or algae I guess. Don 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 19 hours ago, JohnJ said: @MikeR Bivalve. My best guess is Cardium as well. 1 "A problem solved is a problem caused"--Karl Pilkington "I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." -- Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briana Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 10:29 AM, FossilDAWG said: I'm a little surprised that a marine biologist could misidentify this as a brachiopod. Maybe more involved in plankton or algae I guess. I am going to needle him about it, for sure. Ha! Thank you everyone for taking the time to look and for such fast replies. I think Cardium is pointing me in the right direction! I appreciate the help very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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