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At painshill; yes, the first pic I put on do look like what you say. But they are fossilised fruit.

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These all appear to me to be stones which have been weathered/water-tumbled into suggestive shapes; I see no features that suggest an organic origin for any of them. Sorry.

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At Auspex, I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones. He was amazed to see how well they had fossilised. But he had the advantage of seeing them in reality and he also said that they were formed from chert. So which of these weather beaten stones, do you think, was the ones he was looking at and it saddens me to think that a man with 40 years experience could be so wrong. Can you show me examples of your petrified fruit, so I know what to look for in the future.

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At Auspex, I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones. He was amazed to see how well they had fossilised. But he had the advantage of seeing them in reality. So which of these weather beaten stones, do you think, was the ones he was looking at.

To whom did you show them?

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...I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones...

Did he say what he thought they were? Did he also authenticate the object in your avatar, which you purport to be "a mummified petrified head of small rapter. It maybe the head of a archaeopteryx or a microrapter, it has feathers under it's neck"?

I'm sorry, but you must understand that these are all extraordinary claims, and require extraordinary proof.

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post-8997-0-33248300-1343265719_thumb.jpgpost-8997-0-08661400-1343265815_thumb.jpgHe is a private man, like yourself THobern. I do not give out information and names on people. Sorry about that. Auspex, sorry that they are extraordinary claims but they are true. It may not be a Archaeopteryx or a microrapter, but it is the mummified petrified head of a little dionsaur and it is only about 100 mm long. Here are two pic's for you to look at and in the first one I am pointing at it's eye. The second one I am pointing at it's beak, which has teeth. You can see the feathers under it's neck. Edited by dinolol

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I can understand why you might think so, but this is, unequivocally, not a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur. It is an interesting rock with suggestive shapes, what is called a pseudofossil. You seem to already have your mind made up, but please, take it, and your "fruit", to an actual museum with an actual paleontologist on staff, and learn the truth.

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post-8997-0-33248300-1343265719_thumb.jpgpost-8997-0-08661400-1343265815_thumb.jpgHe is a private man, like yourself THobern. I do not give out information and names on people. Sorry about that. Auspex, sorry that they are extraordinary claims but they are true. It may not be a Archaeopteryx or a microrapter, but it is the mummified petrified head of a little dionsaur and it is only about 100 mm long. Here are two pic's for you to look at and in the first one I am pointing at it's eye. The second one I am pointing at it's beak, which has teeth. You can see the feathers under it's neck.

When you say 'private', do you mean that he is values his privacy, or is a private citizen? Is he a professional paleontologist at an NSW/ACT musuem or University?

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When you say 'private', do you mean that he is values his privacy, or is a private citizen? Is he a professional paleontologist at an NSW/ACT musuem or University?

You ask a lot of questions, but I will say this, he values his privacy. If you dont like my fossils just ignore me, but I do have even better than these ones and I will post them for you to look over. Then you can criticize them and use me as a whipping post. But I am not here to humliate anyone or to say I know more than you. You are most probably an expert in your field. All the best to you.

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Hi,

I am always so surprised when a new member joins on TFF to ask for identifications of the fact that he believes to be a fossil. Your stone is not manifestly a fossil, but a rock which looks like, as said by the members who preceded me on this subject.

Why to come to ask of what it is on a valuable forum, with many specialists worldwide, and of refuting what we say to you? If you KNOW about what it is, why to ask? If you are certain of what you have, you are certain !

How say the others, thus visit a real paleontologist among whom it is the job, to have an idea "of professional" because you refuse our explanations !

You ask a question and we answer, because many of us are more than 30 or 40 years old of paleontology experience. On no account you were humbled. We are also (and especially) there to share our knowledge, not to laugh us of people like you who ask questions. No question is stupid, any question deserves to be put, even yours, but have the wisdom to listen to those who take time to answer you.

Sorry if my comments are direct, but my answer is like your behavior. And my language is not English, then I hope to have been rather clear to be well understood. I made many efforts to answer you !

Coco

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You ask a lot of questions, but I will say this, he values his privacy. If you dont like my fossils just ignore me, but I do have even better than these ones and I will post them for you to look over. Then you can criticize them and use me as a whipping post. But I am not here to humliate anyone or to say I know more than you. You are most probably an expert in your field. All the best to you.

I asked because you ignored our identifications by saying that it had been identified in the flesh. I asked by whom, as any actual paleontologist would be happy to stand by their identification; because of your location, I expected I would know or know of them.

Regardless of whether the person actually exists, those aren't fossils.

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Interestingly, someone with the forum ID of “dinolol” posted this message on the Australian site “DigItUp” in November last year, in response to the site administrator’s question: “Got a favourite dinosaur? Tell us about it here!!”, which I reproduce verbatim.

>>>I have a number of favourite dinosaurs. The two that are my most favourite (at the moment) are microraptor or archaeopteryx. My reason for two favourites, is that I have found a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur and could be one of the two above. But this is only my opinion and this specimen may only be another branch of the tree. I had source my opinion from "Feathered Dinosaurs, The Origin Of Birds by John Long and Peter Schouten". My name for this specimen, last look raptor. When I was examinng this little dinosaur, I noticed that it's head had been bitten off, also this little dinosaur had feathers under it's neck, but on top of it's head the feathers had fallen away exposing the skull. I also have pic's of this little dionsaur. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on my favourite dinosaurs.<<<

There were no pictures and the post has not (to date) received any replies.

I don’t know whether this was your post or not, but – if it was – then I would suggest that self-assessment (comparing an item to pictures in a book by a respected expert) is not quite the same thing as having an expert opinion, unless the specimen was subsequently inspected by that expert.

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Interestingly, someone with the forum ID of “dinolol” posted this message on the Australian site “DigItUp” in November last year, in response to the site administrator’s question: “Got a favourite dinosaur? Tell us about it here!!”, which I reproduce verbatim.>>>I have a number of favourite dinosaurs. The two that are my most favourite (at the moment) are microraptor or archaeopteryx. My reason for two favourites, is that I have found a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur and could be one of the two above. But this is only my opinion and this specimen may only be another branch of the tree. I had source my opinion from "Feathered Dinosaurs, The Origin Of Birds by John Long and Peter Schouten". My name for this specimen, last look raptor. When I was examinng this little dinosaur, I noticed that it's head had been bitten off, also this little dinosaur had feathers under it's neck, but on top of it's head the feathers had fallen away exposing the skull. I also have pic's of this little dionsaur. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on my favourite dinosaurs.<<<There were no pictures and the post has not (to date) received any replies.I don’t know whether this was your post or not, but – if it was – then I would suggest that self-assessment (comparing an item to pictures in a book by a respected expert) is not quite the same thing as having an expert opinion, unless the specimen was subsequently inspected by that expert.
Yes, I wrote what you have reproduced. I did say it was only my opinion and I did not say I was an expert. I don't know what is with my life but I have also see a monitor lizard in Australia N.S.W., east coast, that is suppose to be extinct. But I have seen one and with a witness. I have been trying to find that lizard over the past 35 years, to get a pic of it or find evidence of it to no avail. Now, I wonder to myself how could such a large lizard live in a fairly populated area with out being seen by anyone, as there most be a number of them, as to perpetuate it's numbers. The only other story that I have heard is that some guy in Queesland was supposed to have been kill by a large moitor Lizard, that no one has seen. I am going to post more fossilised fruit and nuts, as soon as I take more pic's of what I have in my collection. I also have fossil turtles, other dinosaur heads, coprolites and many dinosaur parts. But I am going to ask you a question, how much field work have you done? And if you wish to make a name for yourself in the palaeo world, I will send you one of my fossils so that you can look at it in reality and I may take you to one of my sites. I suppose it has to do with context, if I gave you a dead cat and said to you, what killed it, you would say to me many things could have kill it. But if I said to you in situ context, that the cat had been found in the middle of the road, you would say to me that it was most probably run over by a car, context gentlemen. I could be a great asset to you or if you think not, just ignore me. Edited by dinolol

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I could not go back in to edit my work, that is; must be a number of them and the other is killed. thank you.

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Hi,

I am always so surprised when a new member joins on TFF to ask for identifications of the fact that he believes to be a fossil. Your stone is not manifestly a fossil, but a rock which looks like, as said by the members who preceded me on this subject.

Why to come to ask of what it is on a valuable forum, with many specialists worldwide, and of refuting what we say to you? If you KNOW about what it is, why to ask? If you are certain of what you have, you are certain !

How say the others, thus visit a real paleontologist among whom it is the job, to have an idea "of professional" because you refuse our explanations !

You ask a question and we answer, because many of us are more than 30 or 40 years old of paleontology experience. On no account you were humbled. We are also (and especially) there to share our knowledge, not to laugh us of people like you who ask questions. No question is stupid, any question deserves to be put, even yours, but have the wisdom to listen to those who take time to answer you.

Sorry if my comments are direct, but my answer is like your behavior. And my language is not English, then I hope to have been rather clear to be well understood. I made many efforts to answer you !

Coco

Your translator has made this sound a little bit confused. I am sure you mean well. Have a good day madam.

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I asked because you ignored our identifications by saying that it had been identified in the flesh. I asked by whom, as any actual paleontologist would be happy to stand by their identification; because of your location, I expected I would know or know of them.

Regardless of whether the person actually exists, those aren't fossils.

I have no more comments for you as you sound a little bit upset by what I say and I do not wish to upset you anymore. I send good feelings to you and have a good day.

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I have no more comments for you as you sound a little bit upset by what I say and I do not wish to upset you anymore. I send good feelings to you and have a good day.

I'm not upset, so don't feel the need to spare my feelings. As someone who has spent a lot of time in the NSW coast geology, I can promise you that you would not have found any of the things that you claim to have found; the deposits just aren't there.

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Yes, I wrote what you have reproduced... but I have also see a monitor lizard in Australia N.S.W., east coast, that is suppose to be extinct... how could such a large lizard live in a fairly populated area with out being seen by anyone... some guy in Queesland was supposed to have been kill by a large moitor Lizard, that no one has seen... I also have... other dinosaur heads... But I am going to ask you a question, how much field work have you done? And if you wish to make a name for yourself in the palaeo world, I will send you one of my fossils so that you can look at it in reality and I may take you to one of my sites... I could be a great asset to you or if you think not, just ignore me.

This gets weirder. I don’t know what you saw, or what makes you believe it was an extinct species, but the perentie monitor (Varanus giganteus) occurs throughout Western Australia, South Australia, the Northern Territory and Queensland, does it not (although coastal NSW would be out of it’s usual territory)? It’s the world’s fourth largest lizard and can exceed 8 feet. It’s shy and wouldn’t normally attack anything as large as a human unless cornered, in which case a lash of its tail would easily break your leg and an untreated bite might well kill you through septicaemia.

How much field work have I done? Well, I’ve visited over 50 countries, done field work in most of them but, although I’ve been to NSW, haven’t done any digging there.

Thanks for the fossil offer, but if the “dino heads” and “seeds/fruits” were to be what you claim, they would need an export permit. You can seek advice here:

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Collecting-fossils-in-New-South-Wales/

or apply for a preliminary assessment here (the address given on the above site is outdated):

http://www.arts.gov.au/movable/export/fossils-and-meteorites

I met one of the assessors for the NSW museum authorities while I was in Oz and found him to be very helpful when I was enquiring about export licenses for meteorites. If they agree with your assessment, they absolutely won’t grant a license for a vertebrate fossil with preserved soft tissue of (inter)national importance or for seeds/fruits not well-represented in national collections. If they grant you a license or say you don’t need one… it will be because the specimens aren’t what you claim them to be (and I wouldn’t then be particularly interested in seeing them).

So, why don’t you ask for that preliminary assessment and find out what you really have? The smart money is on “geofacts”.

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dinolol,

Your ideas about your finds are just not getting any traction here, and arguing the point is, it seems, of no avail.

I am certain that there is someone at the Australian Museum who can help you: LINK

Please have your specimens examined, in person, by a professional whose diagnosis you might trust. If it turns out that, against our judgment, your finds have paleontological merit, I expect to be reading about them in the news.

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This gets weirder. I don’t know what you saw, or what makes you believe it was an extinct species, but the perentie monitor (Varanus giganteus) occurs throughout Western Australia, South Australia, the Northern Territory and Queensland, does it not (although coastal NSW would be out of it’s usual territory)? It’s the world’s fourth largest lizard and can exceed 8 feet. It’s shy and wouldn’t normally attack anything as large as a human unless cornered, in which case a lash of its tail would easily break your leg and an untreated bite might well kill you through septicaemia.

How much field work have I done? Well, I’ve visited over 50 countries, done field work in most of them but, although I’ve been to NSW, haven’t done any digging there.

Thanks for the fossil offer, but if the “dino heads” and “seeds/fruits” were to be what you claim, they would need an export permit. You can seek advice here:

http://australianmus...ew-South-Wales/

or apply for a preliminary assessment here (the address given on the above site is outdated):

http://www.arts.gov....-and-meteorites

I met one of the assessors for the NSW museum authorities while I was in Oz and found him to be very helpful when I was enquiring about export licenses for meteorites. If they agree with your assessment, they absolutely won’t grant a license for a vertebrate fossil with preserved soft tissue of (inter)national importance or for seeds/fruits not well-represented in national collections. If they grant you a license or say you don’t need one… it will be because the specimens aren’t what you claim them to be (and I wouldn’t then be particularly interested in seeing them).

So, why don’t you ask for that preliminary assessment and find out what you really have? The smart money is on “geofacts”.

Thank you for your advice, I did not know that one needed a export license. As I had been in contact with the Australian museum and they said to me that there was no law on finding fossils in N.S.W., Queesland and the Nothern Territory, but there was in Western Australia. A little bit of kindness goes a long way and I will now go to the Australian museum, thank you once again. The monitor I saw was not a perentie monitor, it was about 3 or 4 meters long, could have been longer. Had the body thickness of a grown man. Could run 100 meters, I would say in about 4 seconds.

I somtimes think to myself that some of the people that go missing, could be the result of this lizard. This lizard could kill a young child with no effort and yes I have told people about it, but I get the same response that I get here with my fossils. The banana farm I was living on when I saw it was next to a dairy farm and he said to me, that my dogs were killing his calfs and I said to him that could be the large lizard that I had saw and he just looked at me as if I was an idiot. So I have never spoke about it much since and I have been looking for it over 35 years, to no avail...

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The large lizard could have been a dumped pet.

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Thank you for your advice, I did not know that one needed a export license. As I had been in contact with the Australian museum and they said to me that there was no law on finding fossils in N.S.W., Queesland and the Nothern Territory, but there was in Western Australia. A little bit of kindness goes a long way and I will now go to the Australian museum, thank you once again. The monitor I saw was not a perentie monitor, it was about 3 or 4 meters long, could have been longer. Had the body thickness of a grown man. Could run 100 meters, I would say in about 4 seconds.

I somtimes think to myself that some of the people that go missing, could be the result of this lizard. This lizard could kill a young child with no effort and yes I have told people about it, but I get the same response that I get here with my fossils. The banana farm I was living on when I saw it was next to a dairy farm and he said to me, that my dogs were killing his calfs and I said to him that could be the large lizard that I had saw and he just looked at me as if I was an idiot. So I have never spoke about it much since and I have been looking for it over 35 years, to no avail...

Which is 90km an hour, nearly as fast as a cheetah.

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Thank you for your advice, I did not know that one needed a export license. As I had been in contact with the Australian museum and they said to me that there was no law on finding fossils in N.S.W., Queesland and the Nothern Territory, but there was in Western Australia...

You'll need a licence if the fossils are protected objects under the Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage Act 1986.

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I'm not upset, so don't feel the need to spare my feelings. As someone who has spent a lot of time in the NSW coast geology, I can promise you that you would not have found any of the things that you claim to have found; the deposits just aren't there.

I could show you things that might change your mind about 5 to 8 kilometres of the geology on the mid north coast of N.S.W., in an area that I know which is close to where I live. But I am not going too, untill I have them authenticated. And if I am right (which I have no doubt), it will be one of the most important finds of this century. I think, it will have your scientific minds spinning. Aiso, I did not say I found all or some of those fossils in N.S.W., only one. See if you can find that one. I am looking forward to showing you what I have found. Have a great day.

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I could show you things that might change your mind about 5 to 8 kilometres of the geology on the mid north coast of N.S.W., in an area that I know which is close to where I live. But I am not going too, untill I have them authenticated. And if I am right (which I have no doubt), it will be one of the most important finds of this century. I think, it will have your scientific minds spinning. Aiso, I did not say I found all or some of those fossils in N.S.W., only one. See if you can find that one. I am looking forward to showing you what I have found. Have a great day.

None of the fossils would have come from that part of the world. If you're adamant that any one did, what formation did it come from?

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