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Pennsylvanian Age Nodule


Roz

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Another nodule opened just a bit ago that looks like the same thing

but it is much, much larger.. The first shot is the nodule by the penny

after it opened.. I think it's the same orthocone type fossil as I originally

posted on this thread so I thought I would add it here..

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All the close ups are with a loupe in front of my camera lense..

There are some shots that are the same section but taken

from different angles.. I included the images that I thought showed the

best.. It is irregular like the tiny ones I posted here..

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And coming out of left-field... crushed conularid?

I don't think conularid because of how the sutures are lined up.. Not sure sutures is the word

I mean

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The sides are not very straight and the "sections" are not regularly spaced like an orthocone.

The flaky blue "shell" says chitinous material to me, like Lingulid brachiopods and Conularia.

I have no clue if not orthocone.

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It's hard to tell from a photo, but do the sections seem to overlap each other like growth rings might on a bivalve or brach?

I wonder if you could take a picture with the pieces of the new one lined up as they go together?

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Just a guess... because of the convolutions.... could be a conularia as Bullsnake and Lance has point out....

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It's hard to tell from a photo, but do the sections seem to overlap each other like growth rings might on a bivalve or brach?

Yes, they do appear to overlap and the layers run perpindicular to the big fold down the length...

The layers are stacked perpindicular to the big fold..

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Makes me wonder if xonenine was on the right track with his suggestion of bivalve and the longitudinal grooves are radial ribs.

Of course this would mean that only a broken piece was encased.

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I glued the end and the rest I can't or it would cover the fossil..

the pieces in the background are the other sides.. I'm afraid

not such good shots but the loupe doesn't work inside well..

That's just a closeup with my camera..

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Appendage of something larger?

Well the rest goes into that little top piece so I think it may all be there, imo..

Just a guess of course

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We may be just taking shots in the dark but the only other thought I had was scaphopod (I think they existed at that time)..? I have seen similar ones from my local Cretaceous, they sometimes are found with that fold down the middle due to crushing, and with similar faint growth lines.

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Yes, I read there were actually many types of them in the Pennsylvanian age.. I

didn't see any images that had enough details to compare.. You may be onto

something..

Does anyone have a scaphopod that is Pennsylvanian in age they could post

to compare?

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Today while surfing our forum I noticed 2 images of a Devonian Cephalopod with creases

and thought of this unknown. "Edited" the original pictures to point to the "faint" creases.

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In order to clear my head of what the mystery fossil might represent...

I'm going to go with cephalopod until someone comes up better

comparable image or references :)

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I have to say, I think the original photo is a partial crinoid crown, and the other iridescent fossils are orthocones.

You would NEVER have cephlopods with identical sutures. It's a mathematical impossibility. Given that, they must be associated. Given that they are associated, it removes almost everything from consideration except a crinoid crown.
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Not sure I follow you there. Ammonites are also cephalopods and the shape of their sutures is one way of identifying them.

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I have to say, I think the original photo is a partial crinoid crown, and the other iridescent fossils are orthocones.

You would NEVER have cephlopods with identical sutures. It's a mathematical impossibility. Given that, they must be associated. Given that they are associated, it removes almost everything from consideration except a crinoid crown.

I thought we had established that the first fossil was an "it" instead of a "they" since what originally looked like lines of separation between parts were really just shallow grooves running perpindicular to the lines (sutures or growth lines) going around them. The second, larger specimen gives us a better view of this but otherwise seems identical.

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Roz

This would be a neat fossil to put in the hands of an expert for an ID.

Sometimes pictures just don't show enough information for identifications.

That doesn't mean different views or larger imaging...Just means sometimes

it is necessary for some unknowns to be examined in person (in hand)

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Is there a cross-section of shell material visible anywhere along the edge? That would determine if we're dealing with a shell surface or an internal mold.

Context is critical.

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:eat popcorn:

"Your serpent of Egypt is bred now of your mud by the operation of your sun; so is your crocodile." Lepidus

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What I was trying to communicate was that Pathologic or environmentally modified (not-regularly-spaced) sutures would not be a commonality between animals. Especially animals of different sizes (maturity)

And they wouldnt have died to that the sutures match up.

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