PrehistoricFlorida Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Here is a very rare panther carnassial from Wednesday. The pics are awful because it was raining all day and I had to take pictures inside. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicholas Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Great find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbstedman Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 The tooth is great and so are the pictures. Besides fossils, I collect roadcuts, Stream beds, Winter beaches: Places of pilgrimage. Jasper Burns, Fossil Dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommabetts Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 WOW, thats nice!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Dang, Nate.... The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Here is a very rare panther carnassial from Wednesday. The pics are awful because it was raining all day and I had to take pictures inside. You're doing quite a good job with your images, I'd say. You seem to have mastered the "one-handed fossil-fingers" technique. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy 55 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Great tooth, Nate! It's my bone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Here is a very rare panther carnassial from Wednesday. The pics are awful because it was raining all day and I had to take pictures inside. Now, I'm confused. This tooth is the right shape for a P4, the upper carnassial of a cat about the size of a panther. Is the tooth incomplete? I believe that an upper P4 should be three-rooted, and I can detect only two roots in your image. I just checked my panther skull which has the three roots on the upper P4, though the protocone is not as prominent as in the jaguar (which I also checked). In your example, is part of the protocone and the whole supporting fang missing or is it a photographic illusion? http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 there are 3 roots harry, look close at the first picture right under the root on the right, you can see another root Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 here it is i outlined it, look for baby blue lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Now, I'm confused. This tooth is the right shape for a P4, the upper carnassial of a cat about the size of a panther. Is the tooth incomplete? I believe that an upper P4 should be three-rooted, and I can detect only two roots in your image. I just checked my panther skull which has the three roots on the upper P4, though the protocone is not as prominent as in the jaguar (which I also checked). In your example, is part of the protocone and the whole supporting fang missing or is it a photographic illusion? Here you go Harry... It's the upper carnassial with three roots. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer1 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Here is a very rare panther carnassial from Wednesday. The pics are awful because it was raining all day and I had to take pictures inside. That is one great cat tooth also i have gravel for sale check the trade room or my posts. god hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Here you go Harry... It's the upper carnassial with three roots. Thank you! I knew it must have some remnant, at least, of the fang under the protocone, I just couldn't see it. I looked at the shadow that bmorefossil sees, but I just wasn't sure what it represented. It's super that the tooth is complete! Now I read in Kurten and Anderson that this reduced protocone is a feature that the panther shares with Acinonyx, the American cheetah. The two may have a common origin, according to one worker. As a fossil, this cat is as rare, or rarer, as some of the much earlier big cats in Florida. It is the first upper carnassial of this cat I've ever seen identified. In my experience, jaguar upper carnassials are common in comparison. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Thank you! I knew it must have some remnant, at least, of the fang under the protocone, I just couldn't see it. I looked at the shadow that bmorefossil sees, but I just wasn't sure what it represented. It's super that the tooth is complete!Now I read in Kurten and Anderson that this reduced protocone is a feature that the panther shares with Acinonyx, the American cheetah. The two may have a common origin, according to one worker. As a fossil, this cat is as rare, or rarer, as some of the much earlier big cats in Florida. It is the first upper carnassial of this cat I've ever seen identified. In my experience, jaguar upper carnassials are common in comparison. Harry, In my experience (just from what I've found), panther is less common than jaguar and even smilodon. Here are my running totals on large cats: panther - 2 (both carnassials) American lion - 1 (premolar) Smilodon - 5 (all incisors) jaguar - 6 (carnassial, 2 canines, incisors) www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 ...Here are my running totals on large cats:panther - 2 (both carnassials) American lion - 1 (premolar) Smilodon - 5 (all incisors) jaguar - 6 (carnassial, 2 canines, incisors) ...I have F.D.E. (Feline Dentition Envy). "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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