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Newbie Fossil Hunt Report: Brownie's Beach, Parker's Creek, Green's Mill Run,

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Hi All,

Here is my second post to TFF. Gotten some use out of my floating sifters lately!

Brownie's Beach, Father's Day 2013: Took my boys out to eat at Denny's to fuel up for a day of sifting at Brownie's Beach. Nothing major to report other than it cost us $31 to get onto the beach. Mostly small tigers and a couple sand tigers to show for it. Will not go there again except in the non-summer months.

Parker's Creek, June 20, 2013: Did not have my sifters, so resorted to walking the beach here after doing some canoeing. Nothing particularly notable except for a Hexanchus gigas (based on comparison to illustration in Kent 1994). Can post photo later for confirmation.

Green's Mill Run, June 26, 2013: Had the sifters here with my boys and took a day off from our OBX vacation to zip over to Greenville. VERY productive! Most notable finds:

Two nice mosasaur teeth

1"+ C. carcharias

1"+ Isurus sp.

2.5" Scapanorhynchus sp.

This creek is pretty stinky and loaded with glass, but it was worth it!

Mike

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Hi Mike, Green Mill run is definitely full of trash and junk but it has a treasure or two as well! Did you by chance take a picture of your finds?

DO, or do not. There is no try.

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$31 to park at Bayside Park? That's pretty outrageous. I thought the parking fee was in the range of $5.

Photos of your finds would be nice to see.

Nice that your boys are also interested in fossil hunting.

Don

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Mike

Are you talking about Parkers Creek which is a small tributary of the Chesapeake Bay located in central Calvert County, Maryland, with the creek entrance just north of Scientists Cliffs? If so, Hexanchus are extremely rare from that area. I know of only 3 specimens which have been found along the entire Calvert Cliff area. Please post photos.

Marco Sr.

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We would all love to see some pictures, especially the Hexanchus, they are not common anywhere.

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Hi,

Thanks for the replies! I took some photos, attached. You all can let me know if my IDs are on target or if I am off. My sources used in an attempt to ID my finds are: Kent (1994) and the two field guides from the NC fossil club (Neogene and Quaternary fossils of NC, Cretaceous and Paleocene fossils of NC). Due to upload constraints, I may have to attach images to another post.

Mike

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Hmm. Having trouble with the upload function apparently. Will try again with basic.

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Hmm. Having trouble with the upload function apparently. Will try again with basic.

I prefer to host them to photobucket and link over to here. Your dropbox link does work though.

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Great finds! Thanks for sharing.

Process of identification "mistakes create wisdom".

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This one?

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Yep. That is what I ID'd as H. gigas. What do you think.

Mike

It is difficult to make a positive id with only one picture. Notorynchus primigenius are really common in the Calvert Cliffs area and their uppers look very similar to Hexanchus uppers. The size of your tooth would definitely lean me away from Hexanchus. PM “cowsharks”. He should be able to help id your tooth.

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Yep. That is what I ID'd as H. gigas. What do you think.

Mike

I'd go with Notorynchus primigenius upper, because of the size.

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I have to agree with Auspex and Marco on this tooth, Notorynchus upper.

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Mike, your upper cowshark tooth is definitely a 7-gill Notorynchus cepedianus, not a 6-gill Hexanchus as you had hoped. I have several upper 7-gill cowshark teeth that match up with your tooth fairly well. As some other folks pointed out, 6-gill Hexanchus teeth from the Chesapeake Bay are supremely rare - that doesn't mean you can't find one, but the odds when you find any cowshark tooth are in favor of it being a Notorynchus vice Hexanchus.

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Mike, your upper cowshark tooth is definitely a 7-gill Notorynchus cepedianus, not a 6-gill Hexanchus as you had hoped. I have several upper 7-gill cowshark teeth that match up with your tooth fairly well. As some other folks pointed out, 6-gill Hexanchus teeth from the Chesapeake Bay are supremely rare - that doesn't mean you can't find one, but the odds when you find any cowshark tooth are in favor of it being a Notorynchus vice Hexanchus.

Daryl.

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Have the experts gone to using cepedianus, the extant 7-gill, instead of primigenius, for the Miocene Calvert Cliffs teeth? I know that a lot of times the experts do go back to using the extant species name because the fossil teeth are so similar and really don't justify another species name.

Marco Sr.

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All,

Thanks all for the help in identifying my Notorhyncus tooth! Going down to Calvert Cliffs and Flag Ponds for some more sifting on Aug. 10 and Aug. 17.

More later!

Mike

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Don't think you have two Mosasaur teeth, looks more alligator to me-----Tom

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