michele 1937 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I ask help for the classification of the corals enclosures. Camadas de Alcobaca Portogallo Kimmeridgiano Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I'm afraid I can't help with the identification, since in order to properly identify them you need have a good view of the septa and columna, preferably by cutting and polishing them. Besides, I'm not at all familiar with Kimmeridgian coral fauna, which is extremely scarce here. I nevertheless wanted to say that you've got some very beautiful samples there. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I wasn’t competent to classify those cnidaria so I only give to Michele the Formation, age and location. I hope someone can give some help to us. There is an old paper about Jurassic Portuguese corals by F. Koby but the book is out of print. Regards, Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I wasn’t competent to classify those cnidaria so I only give to Michele the Formation, age and location. I hope someone can give some help to us. There is an old paper about Jurassic Portuguese corals by F. Koby but the book is out of print. koby.jpg Regards, Ricardo I ask help for the classification of the corals enclosures. Camadas de Alcobaca Portogallo Kimmeridgiano Thanks Hi Michele, I cant help either with the ID's but they are certainly gorgeous specimens. Ricardo, I'm not sure if you meant you had a copy and its out of print or you couldnt find it. I'm not sure if it helps but the Univ of California has that document online at http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822023452386;view=1up;seq=11 Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Chris, Thanks for your interest on this. I don’t have a copy of Koby’s book. I saw it 25 years ago when I was study a subject about Jurassic of my hometown outcrops. It’s an old beautiful book with a lot of excellent draws. I didn’t found it online. I suppose it is not available until now. Several online books databases has it but the access is not allowed and the best view is probably only on snippets. Regards, Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele 1937 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I ask help for the classification of the corals enclosures. Camadas de Alcobaca Portogallo Kimmeridgiano Thanks The corals I have had them in change from Ricardo Michele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Hello Michele, I was able to see the the Koby’s paper. From those beautiful drawings on book was possible to ID a few genera with some guarantee . The ID is from Koby nomenclature and not the recent one. I hope this help you. I will make a PDF from drawings and will send it to you. Use the link to my Cnidaria gallery please to see some of the ID. Best Regards, Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceros Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Nice Gallery, Ricardo! I'm glad Plantguy was able to find the obscure publication online, so you could ID them. I don't know Jurassic corals - could you tell us, generally-speaking, what kinds of corals they are? Are all scleractinian corals, or some rugose or tabulate? It's obvious that the two horn-shaped ones are solitary, and the others colonial, but the solitary ones could be either solitary rugose or solitary scleractinian corals. Which are they? I'd know if they were Paleozoic or Lt. Cret./Tertiary, but not Jurassic. Also, were they originally aragonitic, like modern coral, and later altered to calcite, or calcite to start with? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 ...Several online books databases has it but the access is not allowed and the best view is probably only on snippets... The entire monograph is available at Google Books for a free PDF download: LINK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Hi, Piranha, thanks for the link but as in past I’m not able to read it online, or save it in my PC. Do you have access to it? I obtain the pictures by copy the pictures in the book itself on library. That’s why it takes so long to do it. Diceros, about those Cnidaria I really can´t answer you for sure because I’m not an expert. I suppose those are scleractinian and make nice reef in a few Kimmeridgian outcrops. Those are for sure from Kimmeridgian and the mineral is now calcite. Regards Edited June 4, 2015 by ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Piranha, thanks for the link but as in past I’m not able to read it online, or save it in my PC. Do you have access to it?... Yes, please send me a PM with your email address and I'll be happy to send it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Diceros, Tabulates and rugosans did not survive past the Paleozoic; Jurassic corals (solitary or colonial) were scleractinians. Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thank you! You are very kind! PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 For future reference, when going to Google Books, all you need to do to download the document (if available for download) is to click on the gear icon (in the upper right part of the screen), and then,... click on the "Download PDF" button. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thank you! You are very kind! PM sent. My pleasure! I improved this monograph removing 2 blank pages inserted between each of the 30 plates and descriptions. That will allow easier evaluations with a two page view possible with each description page and the corresponding plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Fossildude, thanks for your kind help, but I cant´ find that option on this book. Thank you Piranha! Warm thanks to all, Ricardo Edited June 4, 2015 by ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Fossildude, thanks for your kind help, but I cant´ find that option on this book. image002.jpg Unfortunately, Google embargoes a lot of their digitized content. It matters not, check your email for a nice surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Got it! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 As usually,I jump in too late.Unfortunately from the links you provided it can't be downloaded the precious document.So,I downloaded from other place and uploaded to my reserved server space on Mediafire.The link is here:https://www.mediafire.com/?hullfnhe7e0l1m1...also in my Library. Maybe someone needs it. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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