Mike from North Queensland Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) I found this tooth in the matrix I was cleaning up this morning but not being an expert on shark teeth I am unable to identify this one the closest match I can find is cretolamna appendiculata from the books I have but this appears to have the start of an extra cusp on one side of the tooth. The name comes from an article by N Kemp on Fossil Chondrichthyans The specimen is from the toolebuc formation ( cretaceous albian )from Richmond western Queensland Australia and is 100 million years old give or take. Thank in advance Mike Edited October 28, 2014 by Mike from North Queensland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike from North Queensland Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Additional photos of tooth. Is this just a variation ? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Mud Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Can't help you with the ID, but that's a beauty of a tooth. I like the cusplets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 This might help you: http://www.gaultammonite.co.uk/Pages/Link_Pages/Sharks_Link.htm and http://users.skynet.be/somniosus/Cretaceous_lamniforms.htm the contenders in my eyes are Cretoxyrhina, Dwardius and Cretalamna (or Cretolamna) Gr, Sander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 My call is that you have a Cretolamna tooth and the cool cusplet is a pathology. Nice find. Be interested in what others have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwhite82 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Looks like a Jackelotodus trigonalis, a species of mackerel shark. Cool find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Looks like a Jackelotodus trigonalis, a species of mackerel shark. Cool find!Jaekelotodus is not an albian genus, so i highly doubt that this sharkteeth is a Jaekelotodus. I think you have found a Dwardius siversoni, but wait until others agree with me before printing the label.Greetings, Sander Edited October 28, 2014 by sander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'll throw in a Cretolamna vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I agree. Sometimes, there is an extra cusplet in Cretalamna particularly from the Cretaceous. It could be a feature of its ancestor popping up occasionally across its long chronologic range. My call is that you have a Cretolamna tooth and the cool cusplet is a pathology. Nice find. Be interested in what others have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I still think you have a Dwardius, compare you tooth with the second example here: http://users.skynet.be/somniosus/Albian_Dwardius.htm it does not have the 5th cusplet, but other than that it is a match (in my eyes). the height of the root and the very slight dip in the middle of it are in both teeth the same. By the way, you have a private message. Greetings, Sander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vball Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 My vote is also Dwardius siversoni Very Nice one!!!! Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike from North Queensland Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thanks all for the Id and yes I agree with Dwardius siversoni as the identification, however the western Australia formation they are from is about 2 million years younger than the formation these came from so unsure how long the species lasted. Attached is a side view of the tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike from North Queensland Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) As I looked at the half dozen Dwardius siversoni teeth I had there is one that is slightly different in that both cusplets slant about 10 degrees back from the face of the main tooth and there is a small hump at the bottom of the face on both sides of the tooth. Is this within the normal variation in the species as the tooth came from the same area, or is this a different species. I have drawn on one photo to show what I am referring to so I hope it helps. Mike Edited November 10, 2014 by Mike from North Queensland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vball Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Dwardius SIVERSON, 1999Dwardius siversoni (ZHELEZKO, 2000) - Albian Dwardius woodwardi (HERMAN, 1977) - Cenomanian SIVERSON (1999) created a genus of uncertain familial affiliations, Dwardius, for Cenomanian teeth previously referred to as Cretolamna woodwardi HERMAN, 1977. This species was originally described by HERMAN (1977: 207-208) using an associated group of teeth recovered from the English Chalk and figured in WOODWARD (1911) as Lamna appendiculata. These teeth can not be included in the genus Cretalamna due to its very different root morphology (see SIVERSON, 1992: 530; 1996: 830). In Dwardius, anterior teeth have a more or less straight cusp, which, in contrast to Cardabiodon, are markedly enlarged relative to the mesially situated lateroposterior teeth. It looks to me that the ID changes in the cenomanian to Dwardius woodwardi So yours is still Albian and would be D.siversoni if I'm reading this right. Yes I think the cusp angle is well within the normal morphology. Mikael Silverson is a member of the forum and might provide more info if he sees this. He probably has documented your formation since he lives in Australia. Mike Edited November 10, 2014 by Vball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I'm with Vball on this one. Looks like a Dwardius siversoni. Gr, Sander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikaelS Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) It's an undescribed species. Dwardius siversoni is, sadly, a poorly defined species. Dwardius was a moderately large but very large-toothed taxon whereas e.g., Cardabiodon had teeth of about the same size as Dwardius but vertebrae twice as large (eg a small-toothed genus). Still working on the Toolebuc taxon but it appears to be a cardabiodontid as its vertebrae are huge (up to about 14 cm in diameter). The common Dwardius you find in the mid- to late Albian of Europe occurs in the mid-Albian of Western Australia but not in the Great Artesian Basin. Dwardius does not seem to occur in these restricted epicontinental seas and seaway whereas Cardabiodon is largely confined to these anomalous water bodies. The holotype of Cardabiodon ricki (the type species of Cardabiodon) was ironically collected from an unrestricted marine environment and although the genus does occur in these normal marine settings the few records are largely confined to remains from large presumably adult individuals. Uncoated somewhat dirty teeth of Albian Dwardius and Cardabiodon look much the same. Differences in eg vascularisation do not stand out unless the teeth are properly cleaned and coated before photographed. Edited November 24, 2014 by MikaelS 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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