Carcharodontosaurus Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This news is from June, but I'm surprised that the forum didn't pick it up earlier. Fossil ivory and mammoth/mastodon teeth have been banned from sale in New York and New Jersey: http://aaps.net/fossil-ivory-ban.html http://www.jewelsdujour.com/2014/06/new-york-passes-law-banning-sale-of-elephant-mammoth-ivory/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Wow, thats… idk what to say on that... How will this affect people? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well, now we can't buy and sell fossil ivory and teeth. State legislators are still relatively cheap though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Search4 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I have never seen a lion-head skin, bust of a rhino, or modern elephant tusks in any of my friends houses growing up. But I have seen these items repeatedly in magazine spotlights of hunting lodges and homes of the wealthy elite. Is it that hard for the authorities to tell the difference between modern and fossilized ivory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Is it that hard for the authorities to tell the difference between modern and fossilized ivory? I've always thought that the structure of mammoth and elephant ivory is different. I found this image online: They are obviously different, but perhaps not to the average inspector in customs. Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 ...They are obviously different, but perhaps not to the average inspector in customs. Therein lies the rub. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carcharodontosaurus Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is there any way that the fossil ivory ban could be repealed through reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) f. The Department of Environmental Protection may permit, under terms and conditions as the department may prescribe, the import, sale, offer for sale, purchase, barter, or possession with intent to sell, any ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product for bona fide educational or scientific purposes, unless this activity is prohibited by federal law. So would amateur collecting (finding/collecting; obtaining/purchasing; giving/selling) fall under 'educational' or possibly 'scientific' purposes? Edited December 10, 2014 by Missourian Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sseth Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well, now we can't buy and sell fossil ivory and teeth. State legislators are still relatively cheap though LOL!!! _____________________________________ Seth www.fossilshack.com www.americanfossil.com www.fishdig.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) People are also having trouble with meteorites that are legal to own. Go see [meteorite-list] Detained at LAX for Esquel by Mikchael Farmer, Meteorite-List at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg119788.html By the way, a web page indentifying mammoth ivory is "Natural Ivory" at https://web.archive.org/web/20140810163447/http://www.fws.gov/lab/ivory_natural.php It discusses Schreger angles / Schreger lines and using them to differentiate mammoth versus elephant ivory. A paper about Schreger angles / Schreger lines is: Palombo, M. R., and P. Villa, 2001, Schreger lines as support in the Elephantinae identification. The World of Elephants - International Congress, Rome 2001 PDF file at https://web.archive.org/web/20141212142352/http://www0.museobarracco.it/content/download/4914/63009/file/656_660.pdf and linked at https://web.archive.org/web/20141212142127/http://www0.museobarracco.it/cosa_facciamo/studi_e_ricerche/la_terra_degli_elefanti/workshop_elephantidae_origine_ed_evoluzione_coordinatore_j_shoshani_elephantidae_origin_and_evolution_chair_j_shoshani The complate monograph i("La Terra degli Elefanti – The World of Elephants" is at http://www0.museobarracco.it/cosa_facciamo/studi_e_ricerche/la_terra_degli_elefanti "The World of Elephants" has numerous papers about mammoths and mastodons. Yours, Paul H. Edited December 12, 2014 by Oxytropidoceras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So would amateur collecting (finding/collecting; obtaining/purchasing; giving/selling) fall under 'educational' or possibly 'scientific' purposes? If you mean an amateur collector actually finding one and keeping it for himself, or having purchased one in the past, I didn't see anything that forbids it in the new law. It sounds like purchasing one or even selling one right now (even to an "educational or scientific institution or organization") other then with permission from the Department of Environmental Protecation is a no no. Now that probably doesn't mean you can't donate it. Now if your talking about an amateur collector being considered the same as "educational or scientific institutions" not a chance. I am waiting for them to tell us we can't keep any fossils at all from NJ, private land or not. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squali Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 This legislation is driven by animal rights activists that are not concerned with differentiating local fossils from Illegaly obtained ivory. The legislators think it's a no brainer since there aren't any living Ivory producing animals here. Considering the very slight chance I have of finding any prehistoric Ivory it seems like an example of expensive legislation that is extremely difficult to enforce. If you want to purchase it go to Pennsylvania. It's hard to remember why you drained the swamp when your surrounded by alligators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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