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I found this today while searching through a gravel bed. I think it is a segment from a crinod stem, but it is very tiny. Only 3mm. Am I right?post-20283-0-48341300-1450817073_thumb.jpgpost-20283-0-96839400-1450817147_thumb.jpg

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I dunno...

It does not appear to have a hole in the center; even a very worn crinoid columnal should.

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It does not look like a crinoid segment to Me either. It is too round on the edge and does not have the internal structure of a crinoid stem.

Possibly a echinoid?

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It looks like the hole is filled with muck. I tried prying it free but it is really hard. Since I don't know what I'm doing I didn't poke at it too much.

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The strata there is Devonian, so it is unlikely to be an echinoid.

I would say it has a better chance of being a cystoid columnal.

We may never know if the center is unable to be cleaned out. :unsure:

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This is the type of internal structure that should be there if it were a crinoid stem.

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Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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Even if there is a hole unseen because of sediment fill, columnals are designed to stack like poker chips; the face of this object is smooth, with a rounded surface. I think it is something else (but I don't know what).

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There are crinoid columnals shaped like that, but not as common as the others.

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There are crinoid columnals shaped like that, but not as common as the others.

Lookin' good; do you know a name for the species?

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“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

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Lookin' good; do you know a name for the species?

Seriously? I will try to get the name. :D

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There are crinoid columnals shaped like that, but not as common as the others.

Can You get a close up on the end of a colum? It does not appear to have the same structure where the segments would join together as that of the piece in the original post. The pieces that You showed are considerably smaller also. Do they get as big as the piece in question?

Just a few thoughts.

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Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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Cincinnaticrinus pentagonus has those kind of stems, and some hold fast sections have rings like that.

from the Dry Dredgers site.

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I'll be darned. I guess an echinoderm columnal cannot be excluded from consideration based just on it having a toroidal cross section. I'd still like to see a hole in the center, though.

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just a possibility. Without the age it's all guesswork.

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